Hundreds back petition against plans to terminate Thameslink trains at Blackfriars

Wimbledon Guardian: Hundreds back petition against plans to terminate Thameslink trains at Blackfriars Hundreds back petition against plans to terminate Thameslink trains at Blackfriars

Hundreds of people have backed a petition against plans to terminate South London's Thameslink trains at Blackfriars Station.

The Department for Transport is consulting on the new seven year Thameslink franchise, with recommendations trains serving Merton on the Wimbledon loop should terminate early.

This would mean the borough will have to direct link to the City, St Pancras International and Luton Airport.

Campaigners, including councillors in Sutton, Lambeth and Merton submitted a petition to ministers on Thursday.

Merton Councillor Mary-Jane Jeanes said: "So many people have told us they've bought homes and put down roots in local communities based on the train services along the Wimbledon Loop.

"The proposals would cause further hardship and delay for passengers especially with considerable overcrowding at Blackfriars station if passengers have to change trains.

"Many residents living near to Thameslink stations do not have access to other services or the underground."

Anthony Fairclough, a campaigner, of Wimbledon Chase, said: "Local shop owners told us that Network Rail's proposals would also damage their business - many have employees or customers that come from beyond Blackfriars to Merton. Making it more difficult to get here isn't going to encourage them to come.

"We've been fighting these proposals since last year, and we won't be giving up just yet, the next stage of the campaign will begin after officials make their recommendations to ministers."

The Department for Transport has said the consultation will be extended until September 14.

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2:14pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Michael Pantlin says...

Network Rail are behaving like the Daleks, "Terminate, Terminate, Teeerrrrm,,,inate!
Network Rail are behaving like the Daleks, "Terminate, Terminate, Teeerrrrm,,,inate! Michael Pantlin

2:31pm Sat 1 Sep 12

mangad says...

Yes, but do you actually know WHY they want to terminate the loop?

Simple.

* overall allows a substantial increase in frequency for through trains using the line
* reduces complexity by meaning the curtailed Sutton trains don't have to cross the tracks used by through trains
* increases the speed trains can get through the south of Blackfriars station due to the reduced complexity of the tracklayout
* reduces the risk of delays

If you've ever wondered why trains go so slowly at the south of Blackfriars it's due to the technical complexity of routing trains all all over the place.

Put simply, curtailing the Sutton loop at Blackfriars will make things much simpler and much more reliable. It would even allow the frequency of the Sutton loop to be increased should someone want to (well if they can sort out the lack of platforms at Wimbledon anyway)

All these benefits for the matter of minutes changing at Blackfriars.

The benefits to this move are huge. Unfortunately no one is trying to sell the benefits.
Yes, but do you actually know WHY they want to terminate the loop? Simple. * overall allows a substantial increase in frequency for through trains using the line * reduces complexity by meaning the curtailed Sutton trains don't have to cross the tracks used by through trains * increases the speed trains can get through the south of Blackfriars station due to the reduced complexity of the tracklayout * reduces the risk of delays If you've ever wondered why trains go so slowly at the south of Blackfriars it's due to the technical complexity of routing trains all all over the place. Put simply, curtailing the Sutton loop at Blackfriars will make things much simpler and much more reliable. It would even allow the frequency of the Sutton loop to be increased should someone want to (well if they can sort out the lack of platforms at Wimbledon anyway) All these benefits for the matter of minutes changing at Blackfriars. The benefits to this move are huge. Unfortunately no one is trying to sell the benefits. mangad

2:35pm Sat 1 Sep 12

mangad says...

Incidentally it really isn't hard to change at Blackfriars. This move is hardly going to cause people huge amounts of extra time on their journey. It's really not as if people are suddenly being stranded with hours of delays to getting to work...

I get the tube to work and have to change every day. It's just something you do.
Incidentally it really isn't hard to change at Blackfriars. This move is hardly going to cause people huge amounts of extra time on their journey. It's really not as if people are suddenly being stranded with hours of delays to getting to work... I get the tube to work and have to change every day. It's just something you do. mangad

4:28pm Sat 1 Sep 12

Michael Pantlin says...

Operational convenience above the fare paying passenger preferences.
Operational convenience above the fare paying passenger preferences. Michael Pantlin

2:33pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Nick of Muster says...

They should stop these near pointless unreliable trains at Streatham - turn the platform into A and B and allow people 2-3 minutes to change trains. Streatham-Wimbledon-
Sutton loop could be served by a very frequent tram with some new stations at junctions to meet buses. It is like the old Wimbledon-Croydon train at the moment. Miss one and you could be waiting a very long time, if it shows up and no station staff to help. But hey, who wants frequent tram service. No one I guess!!!
They should stop these near pointless unreliable trains at Streatham - turn the platform into A and B and allow people 2-3 minutes to change trains. Streatham-Wimbledon- Sutton loop could be served by a very frequent tram with some new stations at junctions to meet buses. It is like the old Wimbledon-Croydon train at the moment. Miss one and you could be waiting a very long time, if it shows up and no station staff to help. But hey, who wants frequent tram service. No one I guess!!! Nick of Muster

8:53pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Michael Pantlin says...

Nick of Muster wrote:
They should stop these near pointless unreliable trains at Streatham - turn the platform into A and B and allow people 2-3 minutes to change trains. Streatham-Wimbledon-

Sutton loop could be served by a very frequent tram with some new stations at junctions to meet buses. It is like the old Wimbledon-Croydon train at the moment. Miss one and you could be waiting a very long time, if it shows up and no station staff to help. But hey, who wants frequent tram service. No one I guess!!!
There is the other old plan that surfaces occasionally to extend the Northern Line past Morden beneath or round the Mosque to join up with the Loop at Morden South and run into Sutton.
[quote][p][bold]Nick of Muster[/bold] wrote: They should stop these near pointless unreliable trains at Streatham - turn the platform into A and B and allow people 2-3 minutes to change trains. Streatham-Wimbledon- Sutton loop could be served by a very frequent tram with some new stations at junctions to meet buses. It is like the old Wimbledon-Croydon train at the moment. Miss one and you could be waiting a very long time, if it shows up and no station staff to help. But hey, who wants frequent tram service. No one I guess!!![/p][/quote]There is the other old plan that surfaces occasionally to extend the Northern Line past Morden beneath or round the Mosque to join up with the Loop at Morden South and run into Sutton. Michael Pantlin

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