Greyhound racing supporters take Plough Lane Wimbledon fight to City Hall

Wimbledon Guardian: Passionate: We Want Wimbledon campaigner Diane McLean at the 'Show of Passion.' Picture Steve Nash photography. Passionate: We Want Wimbledon campaigner Diane McLean at the 'Show of Passion.' Picture Steve Nash photography.

Hundreds of people passionate about keeping greyhound racing in Wimbledon took their fight to City Hall this week.

Campaigners, some of whom flew in from Ireland especially, presented a letter to the deputy mayor, policy and planning, Sir Edward Lister, from the Irish government in support of plans to turn the stadium into the 'Royal Ascot' of greyhound racing.

Retired greyhounds and a limousine with a large greyhound model on the top attracted onlookers at the gathering on Monday, February 17.

Jonathan Hobbs joined campaigners at the 'Show of Passion.'

He said: "It was fantastic, there were more than 500 people there.

"People from all over the UK and Ireland were there.

"There is still a long way to go."

Plans to either redevelop the stadium for greyhound racing or allow AFC Wimbledon to build a football stadium are currently being decided by an independent inspector.

A decision is expected in April this year.

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8:50am Wed 19 Feb 14

Merton Parka says...

People flew in from Ireland and travelled from all over the UK yet they still only fot a few hundred people!?

Nice local issue affecting the local community then.
People flew in from Ireland and travelled from all over the UK yet they still only fot a few hundred people!? Nice local issue affecting the local community then. Merton Parka
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9:35am Wed 19 Feb 14

ZoonPolitikon says...

"Hundreds of people." Where? And the fact greyhounds were brought into the centre of London and, on a cold winters day, are not wearing coats, speaks volumes about how members of the racing fraternity treat these beautiful animals.
"Hundreds of people." Where? And the fact greyhounds were brought into the centre of London and, on a cold winters day, are not wearing coats, speaks volumes about how members of the racing fraternity treat these beautiful animals. ZoonPolitikon
  • Score: -75

10:38am Wed 19 Feb 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

I have attended Wimbledon dogs in the past, as a guest of my then employer, but that is the thing, it was in the distant past. Dog racing has been dwindling or closing down across the country, especially in London, for years now.
I fully agree with the first two comments made. The dogs are just commodities to be used for profit. Some may say that football is not much better, but at least the footballers have a choice, unlike the dogs.
I have attended Wimbledon dogs in the past, as a guest of my then employer, but that is the thing, it was in the distant past. Dog racing has been dwindling or closing down across the country, especially in London, for years now. I fully agree with the first two comments made. The dogs are just commodities to be used for profit. Some may say that football is not much better, but at least the footballers have a choice, unlike the dogs. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: -65

10:57am Wed 19 Feb 14

klindsay1824 says...

Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.
Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really. klindsay1824
  • Score: 62

11:05am Wed 19 Feb 14

bodon prifiz says...

There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!!
There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!! bodon prifiz
  • Score: -67

11:28am Wed 19 Feb 14

micawber01 says...

bodon prifiz wrote:
There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!!
bordon prifiz perhaps your husband should go to specsaver to get his eyes tested if he thought there were only 50+ at the gathering
[quote][p][bold]bodon prifiz[/bold] wrote: There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!![/p][/quote]bordon prifiz perhaps your husband should go to specsaver to get his eyes tested if he thought there were only 50+ at the gathering micawber01
  • Score: 65

11:32am Wed 19 Feb 14

co2 says...

bodon prifiz wrote:
There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!!
Police estimates were around 700 and there were 4 officers present,the police stated to some of those attending how well conducted the greyhound supporters were,greyhound owners and trainers are decent hardworking people and are passionate about saving the home of greyhound racings derby,its a pity the football supporters were not as passionate about keeping the dons in plough lane,greyhound racing,like tennis belongs in wimbledon.
[quote][p][bold]bodon prifiz[/bold] wrote: There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!![/p][/quote]Police estimates were around 700 and there were 4 officers present,the police stated to some of those attending how well conducted the greyhound supporters were,greyhound owners and trainers are decent hardworking people and are passionate about saving the home of greyhound racings derby,its a pity the football supporters were not as passionate about keeping the dons in plough lane,greyhound racing,like tennis belongs in wimbledon. co2
  • Score: 68

11:34am Wed 19 Feb 14

co2 says...

ZoonPolitikon wrote:
"Hundreds of people." Where? And the fact greyhounds were brought into the centre of London and, on a cold winters day, are not wearing coats, speaks volumes about how members of the racing fraternity treat these beautiful animals.
obviously a mis informed anti racer,the weather was mild and dogs have a fur coat to keep warm.
[quote][p][bold]ZoonPolitikon[/bold] wrote: "Hundreds of people." Where? And the fact greyhounds were brought into the centre of London and, on a cold winters day, are not wearing coats, speaks volumes about how members of the racing fraternity treat these beautiful animals.[/p][/quote]obviously a mis informed anti racer,the weather was mild and dogs have a fur coat to keep warm. co2
  • Score: 63

11:49am Wed 19 Feb 14

wmcc ireland says...

the official figure from the metropolitan police was between 600-700 so whoever wants to lie about figures go ahead thats your perogitive.
it was an excellent day. 120 flew from ireland and all the dogs i seen were in great condition and some had coats on, others didnt. the temperature was 12degrees so it was not cold at all and most dogs would not need a coat on.

the deputy mayor sir edward lister was very accomodating and very positive about greyhound racing.

i personally got the figure from the police officers and he said in the region of 600-700 so that is FACTUAL information.

the show of passion was an outstanding success, we showed our support of Mayor Boris Johnson and showed the world we care about the future of our great sport.
wmcc ireland
the official figure from the metropolitan police was between 600-700 so whoever wants to lie about figures go ahead thats your perogitive. it was an excellent day. 120 flew from ireland and all the dogs i seen were in great condition and some had coats on, others didnt. the temperature was 12degrees so it was not cold at all and most dogs would not need a coat on. the deputy mayor sir edward lister was very accomodating and very positive about greyhound racing. i personally got the figure from the police officers and he said in the region of 600-700 so that is FACTUAL information. the show of passion was an outstanding success, we showed our support of Mayor Boris Johnson and showed the world we care about the future of our great sport. wmcc ireland wmcc ireland
  • Score: 77

11:52am Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

amazing how many people have strong views on the gathering/what happened and yet were not even there to witness! Yes, phone the police for numbers or phone City Hall- 0207 983 4000. The main photo shows people to left of City Hall entrance, people were gathered around in avery wide sweeping arc, only a fraction are in the photo. As for the ignorant comments on the dogs being cold, look at historical temperature data for 17th Feb, the temperature was between 10c and 11c at 2pm ish when photo took place, many of the dogs had coats removed by owners because they did not need them! was a dry day there between noon and at least 3pm. Think about your credibility before you post. Swayne
amazing how many people have strong views on the gathering/what happened and yet were not even there to witness! Yes, phone the police for numbers or phone City Hall- 0207 983 4000. The main photo shows people to left of City Hall entrance, people were gathered around in avery wide sweeping arc, only a fraction are in the photo. As for the ignorant comments on the dogs being cold, look at historical temperature data for 17th Feb, the temperature was between 10c and 11c at 2pm ish when photo took place, many of the dogs had coats removed by owners because they did not need them! was a dry day there between noon and at least 3pm. Think about your credibility before you post. Swayne field walker
  • Score: 65

11:57am Wed 19 Feb 14

Bushmonkey says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.
I would suggest that football has much more of a mass appeal, given the thousands who attend matches every week compared to the hundreds who attend greyhound racing.
And as for working class roots, you can't be much more rooted in working class than football. Matches traditionally kick off at 3pm on a Saturday as men were traditionally given the afternoon off from their factory work to play matches. Arsenal were set up as a works team at a Woolwich armoury. West Ham started life as Thames Ironworks FC. Tickets may be more expensive nowadays, but surely that is testiment to the sports popularity. When football clubs have to resort to giving free entry, free food and a free programme to anyone with an Oyster Card just to entice people thorugh the door, than I will worry about the future of the sport!

AFC WImbledon are a local club representinfg the local community. The very fact that many people came over from Ireland to aid the protest is another clue that the greyhound bid does not have the local support.

Face it: greyhound racing is a dying sport. It is also barbaric.

Just look at this NSFW link and then tell me you still support the 'sport':

http://www.animal-ri
ghts-action.com/grey
hound-dogs.html
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that football has much more of a mass appeal, given the thousands who attend matches every week compared to the hundreds who attend greyhound racing. And as for working class roots, you can't be much more rooted in working class than football. Matches traditionally kick off at 3pm on a Saturday as men were traditionally given the afternoon off from their factory work to play matches. Arsenal were set up as a works team at a Woolwich armoury. West Ham started life as Thames Ironworks FC. Tickets may be more expensive nowadays, but surely that is testiment to the sports popularity. When football clubs have to resort to giving free entry, free food and a free programme to anyone with an Oyster Card just to entice people thorugh the door, than I will worry about the future of the sport! AFC WImbledon are a local club representinfg the local community. The very fact that many people came over from Ireland to aid the protest is another clue that the greyhound bid does not have the local support. Face it: greyhound racing is a dying sport. It is also barbaric. Just look at this NSFW link and then tell me you still support the 'sport': http://www.animal-ri ghts-action.com/grey hound-dogs.html Bushmonkey
  • Score: -63

12:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Wimbledon dogs is packed every Saturday night. and more than a few hundred! If you think football is a working class sport you are delusional, 2 Premier Leage tickets for London club and transport and 2 x burgers = £140. There are many big clubs in London, Wdon is small club with small following. Your Arsenal example, it's £50 for a ticket! Your West Ham example, they have just sold their ground to property developers and will lease the Olympic Stadium. It's a pure pfrofit machine, they dont care about their supporters, definitely not working class.

As for your contrived website....you've obviously never been to a trainers kennel and seen the love bestowed on them by trainers and owners. Ignorant and ill informed you are. Brainwashed maybe, Sad either way
Wimbledon dogs is packed every Saturday night. and more than a few hundred! If you think football is a working class sport you are delusional, 2 Premier Leage tickets for London club and transport and 2 x burgers = £140. There are many big clubs in London, Wdon is small club with small following. Your Arsenal example, it's £50 for a ticket! Your West Ham example, they have just sold their ground to property developers and will lease the Olympic Stadium. It's a pure pfrofit machine, they dont care about their supporters, definitely not working class. As for your contrived website....you've obviously never been to a trainers kennel and seen the love bestowed on them by trainers and owners. Ignorant and ill informed you are. Brainwashed maybe, Sad either way field walker
  • Score: 48

12:17pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

field walker wrote:
amazing how many people have strong views on the gathering/what happened and yet were not even there to witness! Yes, phone the police for numbers or phone City Hall- 0207 983 4000. The main photo shows people to left of City Hall entrance, people were gathered around in avery wide sweeping arc, only a fraction are in the photo. As for the ignorant comments on the dogs being cold, look at historical temperature data for 17th Feb, the temperature was between 10c and 11c at 2pm ish when photo took place, many of the dogs had coats removed by owners because they did not need them! was a dry day there between noon and at least 3pm. Think about your credibility before you post. Swayne
It was that warm, members of the racing fraternity felt the need to wear coats and scarfs! ... while the dogs were left to suffer. The picture says it all.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: amazing how many people have strong views on the gathering/what happened and yet were not even there to witness! Yes, phone the police for numbers or phone City Hall- 0207 983 4000. The main photo shows people to left of City Hall entrance, people were gathered around in avery wide sweeping arc, only a fraction are in the photo. As for the ignorant comments on the dogs being cold, look at historical temperature data for 17th Feb, the temperature was between 10c and 11c at 2pm ish when photo took place, many of the dogs had coats removed by owners because they did not need them! was a dry day there between noon and at least 3pm. Think about your credibility before you post. Swayne[/p][/quote]It was that warm, members of the racing fraternity felt the need to wear coats and scarfs! ... while the dogs were left to suffer. The picture says it all. Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -60

12:19pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Merton Parka says...

Having followed the local issues closely, AFCW have submitted their plan and kept a dignified silence by letting the planning inspector’s process run its course. All documents are on the Merton website to be read, digested and informed opinions to be made.

The Doggers however, continue to contradict themselves and spout near libellous nonsense.

AFCW returning home will have a major positive impact on its local community by continuing to run its award winning community scheme. Community and fans is AFCW’s raison d’etre.

That’s my opinion being located locally and that’s without even looking into the controversies in way dogs are (mis)treated for sport/gambling.
Having followed the local issues closely, AFCW have submitted their plan and kept a dignified silence by letting the planning inspector’s process run its course. All documents are on the Merton website to be read, digested and informed opinions to be made. The Doggers however, continue to contradict themselves and spout near libellous nonsense. AFCW returning home will have a major positive impact on its local community by continuing to run its award winning community scheme. Community and fans is AFCW’s raison d’etre. That’s my opinion being located locally and that’s without even looking into the controversies in way dogs are (mis)treated for sport/gambling. Merton Parka
  • Score: -62

12:21pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

How many present were Merton/Wimbledon residents? That is the key point. It's nice of the Irish to show their support, but surely this is more to do with their fear of lost revenue than their concern about how Merton makes its planning decisions. AFC Wimbledon does masses of community work with over 900 hours a year dedicated to running coaching for Merton kids. What does dog racing do in comparison? Not much
How many present were Merton/Wimbledon residents? That is the key point. It's nice of the Irish to show their support, but surely this is more to do with their fear of lost revenue than their concern about how Merton makes its planning decisions. AFC Wimbledon does masses of community work with over 900 hours a year dedicated to running coaching for Merton kids. What does dog racing do in comparison? Not much ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -46

12:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Yes Zoon_Politikon because many set off early morning. Should people take their think coats and hats off and carry them around - how often do you see that in life....the dogs that have already have a fur coat can easily have their lightweight artificial coats taken off. Phone City Hall and ask them if it was cold. The number is above. Or as I've said look at the recorded temperarure. City Hall post code is SE1 2AA, here is the link http://www.wundergro
und.com/history/

You're making yourself look silly
Yes Zoon_Politikon because many set off early morning. Should people take their think coats and hats off and carry them around - how often do you see that in life....the dogs that have already have a fur coat can easily have their lightweight artificial coats taken off. Phone City Hall and ask them if it was cold. The number is above. Or as I've said look at the recorded temperarure. City Hall post code is SE1 2AA, here is the link http://www.wundergro und.com/history/ You're making yourself look silly field walker
  • Score: 46

12:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Dog have charity nights all the time...

Merton Parka, youve obviously not followed it closely as you would know that the poll recently undertaken had the local residents in favour of keeping greyhound racing and against 2000 supporter Div2 football club.

I wonder if those poor hundres of thousands of people in UK flooded right now would support your proposal for a football club AND houses on a flood plain? (as is the current stadium situated on)
Dog have charity nights all the time... Merton Parka, youve obviously not followed it closely as you would know that the poll recently undertaken had the local residents in favour of keeping greyhound racing and against 2000 supporter Div2 football club. I wonder if those poor hundres of thousands of people in UK flooded right now would support your proposal for a football club AND houses on a flood plain? (as is the current stadium situated on) field walker
  • Score: 59

12:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

I haven't seen a single photo with more than 150 people in it. Can anyone who claims there were 800 there point me to one?

Those that were there constituted an international mobilisation of those in the 'industry', but nobody from the local community. The letter they handed in was from the Irish Government! Why on earth should Merton Council or the Mayor of London be concerned about providing a market for the Irish dog breeders when there is an affordable community-oriented football club that can transform the local area with the energy and jobs it will bring?
I haven't seen a single photo with more than 150 people in it. Can anyone who claims there were 800 there point me to one? Those that were there constituted an international mobilisation of those in the 'industry', but nobody from the local community. The letter they handed in was from the Irish Government! Why on earth should Merton Council or the Mayor of London be concerned about providing a market for the Irish dog breeders when there is an affordable community-oriented football club that can transform the local area with the energy and jobs it will bring? Arthur Morris
  • Score: -66

12:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

FieldWalker said:

"UK flooded right now would support your proposal for a football club AND houses on a flood plain? (as is the current stadium situated on)"

So where will the new greyhound stadium and the flats around it be, the sky?

We are currently experiencing the worst flooding the UK has seen in over 200 years and Plough Lane is dry.

Flood Plain is a ridiculous argument. Come off it
FieldWalker said: "UK flooded right now would support your proposal for a football club AND houses on a flood plain? (as is the current stadium situated on)" So where will the new greyhound stadium and the flats around it be, the sky? We are currently experiencing the worst flooding the UK has seen in over 200 years and Plough Lane is dry. Flood Plain is a ridiculous argument. Come off it ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -35

12:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

field walker wrote:
Wimbledon dogs is packed every Saturday night. and more than a few hundred! If you think football is a working class sport you are delusional, 2 Premier Leage tickets for London club and transport and 2 x burgers = £140. There are many big clubs in London, Wdon is small club with small following. Your Arsenal example, it's £50 for a ticket! Your West Ham example, they have just sold their ground to property developers and will lease the Olympic Stadium. It's a pure pfrofit machine, they dont care about their supporters, definitely not working class.

As for your contrived website....you've obviously never been to a trainers kennel and seen the love bestowed on them by trainers and owners. Ignorant and ill informed you are. Brainwashed maybe, Sad either way
You are funny. This is what highly respected trainer, Graham Holland, had to say:

“I don’t know how some of the trainers get licences. Britain is obsessed with welfare for the older dogs, and rightly so, but they should look more closely at the welfare of racing dogs.”

Amphlett, F., “They walked away,” Greyhound Star, Dec. 2011, p. 21
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Wimbledon dogs is packed every Saturday night. and more than a few hundred! If you think football is a working class sport you are delusional, 2 Premier Leage tickets for London club and transport and 2 x burgers = £140. There are many big clubs in London, Wdon is small club with small following. Your Arsenal example, it's £50 for a ticket! Your West Ham example, they have just sold their ground to property developers and will lease the Olympic Stadium. It's a pure pfrofit machine, they dont care about their supporters, definitely not working class. As for your contrived website....you've obviously never been to a trainers kennel and seen the love bestowed on them by trainers and owners. Ignorant and ill informed you are. Brainwashed maybe, Sad either way[/p][/quote]You are funny. This is what highly respected trainer, Graham Holland, had to say: “I don’t know how some of the trainers get licences. Britain is obsessed with welfare for the older dogs, and rightly so, but they should look more closely at the welfare of racing dogs.” Amphlett, F., “They walked away,” Greyhound Star, Dec. 2011, p. 21 Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -53

12:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

A poll "the local residents in favour of keeping greyhound racing"?

The one rigged by the greyhound-data forum that Wimbledon fans didn't bother with? You people either live in a bubble where you believe your own rubbish, or are simply dishonest.

http://www.greyhound
-data.com/knowledge.
php?b=4&note=983196&
order=&x=0
A poll "the local residents in favour of keeping greyhound racing"? The one rigged by the greyhound-data forum that Wimbledon fans didn't bother with? You people either live in a bubble where you believe your own rubbish, or are simply dishonest. http://www.greyhound -data.com/knowledge. php?b=4¬e=983196& order=&x=0 Arthur Morris
  • Score: -63

12:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Isobelteresa says...

Funny how numbers get swelled according to the interests or otherwise of those reporting...anyone used a countometer then? Or did an extra zero get accidentally added after the number 50? Interesting too how the antiracing demo held outside the Manchester Hilton last month protesting against the GBGB's gala awards was dismissed by a pro racing journalist as being attended by a mere 100 'rabblerousers' whereas in fact there were 350 of us there (counted) from as far afield as Italy and Canada and all corners of the UK, and the only ones who got cautioned by the police for abusive behaviour were some of the trainers going into the event. As for Wimbledon, let us hope that the mayor sees sense and helps London move into the 21st century by closing down this stadium and giving it over to football, thus ending decades of cruelty and suffering endured by these beautiful animals, all for the dubious profit of a quick bet and to fill the pockets of the fatcats of the gambling industry, who have no qualms about despatching a greyhound by bolt gun shot to the head, or abandoning it to rot in an allotment shed when it no longer rakes in the wins. As for the sorry attempt by commentator Klindsay1824 above at implying class divisions between the pros (all supposedly 'salt of the earth' flat cap workers - anyone seen any of those recently?) and the antis (supposedly middle class Ascot loving fluffies) might I politely remind him that he has clearly never been to an antiracing demo or he would know that antiracing protesters (which by the way encompass ALL forms of betting on animals including horses) come from all walks of life and social strata, their main point in common being compassion for animals, with many of them working in rescuing and rehabilitating the traumatised and abused dogs that make it out of the tracks alive. As for the 'mass appeal' the aforementioned commentator refers to, I would politely suggest that a) the dwindling number of tracks in the UK demonstrates the opposite trend and b) any appeal is more prompted by the lure of a 'cheap night out' than any attachment to tradition, and by the ignorance - whether willing or unwilling - of what the true cost of that cheap night out actually amounts to, in actual dead or injured dog body counts. So let us be clear as to whose interests are being supported here - one thing's for certain, it is not those of the greyhounds themselves, as a minimum of research into this ancient breed (which has been around far longer than the races themselves) and the day to day caged life and frequent, unnecessary death on the tracks of a racing greyhound would reveal.
Funny how numbers get swelled according to the interests or otherwise of those reporting...anyone used a countometer then? Or did an extra zero get accidentally added after the number 50? Interesting too how the antiracing demo held outside the Manchester Hilton last month protesting against the GBGB's gala awards was dismissed by a pro racing journalist as being attended by a mere 100 'rabblerousers' whereas in fact there were 350 of us there (counted) from as far afield as Italy and Canada and all corners of the UK, and the only ones who got cautioned by the police for abusive behaviour were some of the trainers going into the event. As for Wimbledon, let us hope that the mayor sees sense and helps London move into the 21st century by closing down this stadium and giving it over to football, thus ending decades of cruelty and suffering endured by these beautiful animals, all for the dubious profit of a quick bet and to fill the pockets of the fatcats of the gambling industry, who have no qualms about despatching a greyhound by bolt gun shot to the head, or abandoning it to rot in an allotment shed when it no longer rakes in the wins. As for the sorry attempt by commentator Klindsay1824 above at implying class divisions between the pros (all supposedly 'salt of the earth' flat cap workers - anyone seen any of those recently?) and the antis (supposedly middle class Ascot loving fluffies) might I politely remind him that he has clearly never been to an antiracing demo or he would know that antiracing protesters (which by the way encompass ALL forms of betting on animals including horses) come from all walks of life and social strata, their main point in common being compassion for animals, with many of them working in rescuing and rehabilitating the traumatised and abused dogs that make it out of the tracks alive. As for the 'mass appeal' the aforementioned commentator refers to, I would politely suggest that a) the dwindling number of tracks in the UK demonstrates the opposite trend and b) any appeal is more prompted by the lure of a 'cheap night out' than any attachment to tradition, and by the ignorance - whether willing or unwilling - of what the true cost of that cheap night out actually amounts to, in actual dead or injured dog body counts. So let us be clear as to whose interests are being supported here - one thing's for certain, it is not those of the greyhounds themselves, as a minimum of research into this ancient breed (which has been around far longer than the races themselves) and the day to day caged life and frequent, unnecessary death on the tracks of a racing greyhound would reveal. Isobelteresa
  • Score: -64

12:45pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Arthur Morris, as above posts ring City Hall the telephone number is there above and ask them, Perhaps your frightened to because you know the answer.? Where has anyone said 800? Did you read the article??

The local poll said more people supported dogs and housing, than football and housing. Both would bring jobs.

Apart from an AFC supporter how could a neutral think there is viable opportunity for small football club with Div2 2/3000 crowd on the door step of Premier League Fulham, and Chelsea. Local supporters want to watch good football they go to these clubs. Whats AFC Wdon financial standing to contribute to building a stadium? Shotgun wedding, and AFC not senior partner. My personal view is that they will be left standing at the altar without a football club ground if they go with Galliards. Football is a money focussed profit machine and AFC dont have a seat at the table, sadly
Arthur Morris, as above posts ring City Hall the telephone number is there above and ask them, Perhaps your frightened to because you know the answer.? Where has anyone said 800? Did you read the article?? The local poll said more people supported dogs and housing, than football and housing. Both would bring jobs. Apart from an AFC supporter how could a neutral think there is viable opportunity for small football club with Div2 2/3000 crowd on the door step of Premier League Fulham, and Chelsea. Local supporters want to watch good football they go to these clubs. Whats AFC Wdon financial standing to contribute to building a stadium? Shotgun wedding, and AFC not senior partner. My personal view is that they will be left standing at the altar without a football club ground if they go with Galliards. Football is a money focussed profit machine and AFC dont have a seat at the table, sadly field walker
  • Score: 52

12:55pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

The racing community are so concerned about 'anti' comments being posted in response to this article, an alert has now gone out on greyhoundscene asking for members of the racing fraternity to respond! You couldn't make it up!
The racing community are so concerned about 'anti' comments being posted in response to this article, an alert has now gone out on greyhoundscene asking for members of the racing fraternity to respond! You couldn't make it up! Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -55

12:55pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

field walker wrote:
Arthur Morris, as above posts ring City Hall the telephone number is there above and ask them, Perhaps your frightened to because you know the answer.? Where has anyone said 800? Did you read the article??

The local poll said more people supported dogs and housing, than football and housing. Both would bring jobs.

Apart from an AFC supporter how could a neutral think there is viable opportunity for small football club with Div2 2/3000 crowd on the door step of Premier League Fulham, and Chelsea. Local supporters want to watch good football they go to these clubs. Whats AFC Wdon financial standing to contribute to building a stadium? Shotgun wedding, and AFC not senior partner. My personal view is that they will be left standing at the altar without a football club ground if they go with Galliards. Football is a money focussed profit machine and AFC dont have a seat at the table, sadly
Consistency and logic aren't your things are they?

In an earlier post you said Wimbledon had 2000 fans. In this one you've upped it to 3000. Keep going, and you might get there - the average attendance for AFC Wimbledon this season is 4,209, and that's playing outside the borough in a stadium with some of the worst views in the Football league.

You earlier complained about the cost of Premiership football being £140 for 2 people. At Wimbledon it's £30. It's also local and rooted in the community - everything Premiership football isn't. Or dog racing for that matter.

Galliard can't build anything without sporting intensification. No football ground, no development.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Arthur Morris, as above posts ring City Hall the telephone number is there above and ask them, Perhaps your frightened to because you know the answer.? Where has anyone said 800? Did you read the article?? The local poll said more people supported dogs and housing, than football and housing. Both would bring jobs. Apart from an AFC supporter how could a neutral think there is viable opportunity for small football club with Div2 2/3000 crowd on the door step of Premier League Fulham, and Chelsea. Local supporters want to watch good football they go to these clubs. Whats AFC Wdon financial standing to contribute to building a stadium? Shotgun wedding, and AFC not senior partner. My personal view is that they will be left standing at the altar without a football club ground if they go with Galliards. Football is a money focussed profit machine and AFC dont have a seat at the table, sadly[/p][/quote]Consistency and logic aren't your things are they? In an earlier post you said Wimbledon had 2000 fans. In this one you've upped it to 3000. Keep going, and you might get there - the average attendance for AFC Wimbledon this season is 4,209, and that's playing outside the borough in a stadium with some of the worst views in the Football league. You earlier complained about the cost of Premiership football being £140 for 2 people. At Wimbledon it's £30. It's also local and rooted in the community - everything Premiership football isn't. Or dog racing for that matter. Galliard can't build anything without sporting intensification. No football ground, no development. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -37

12:55pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Isobelteresa, You obviously were not there...Surely dishonesty is repeatedly saying ether were 50 people there when all you have to do is pick up the phone to City Hall. Perhaps you would be good enough to name any of these " fatcats of the gambling industry, who have no qualms about despatching a greyhound by bolt gun shot to the head, or abandoning it to rot in an allotment shed when it no longer rakes in the wins" or is this another anonymous statement long on sensation and ignorance and (very) short on facts?

Galliards want to build maximum flats/houses on the site to maximise their profit. Will they be homes the local community can afford - unlikely
Isobelteresa, You obviously were not there...Surely dishonesty is repeatedly saying ether were 50 people there when all you have to do is pick up the phone to City Hall. Perhaps you would be good enough to name any of these " fatcats of the gambling industry, who have no qualms about despatching a greyhound by bolt gun shot to the head, or abandoning it to rot in an allotment shed when it no longer rakes in the wins" or is this another anonymous statement long on sensation and ignorance and (very) short on facts? Galliards want to build maximum flats/houses on the site to maximise their profit. Will they be homes the local community can afford - unlikely field walker
  • Score: 55

12:56pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

Fieldwalker - you don't half like to spread mis-information and apply double standards

"with Div2 2/3000 crowd"

Wimbledon average over 4000 this season alone and have to turn people away several times a season.

Here is my source: http://espnfc.com/st
ats/attendance/_/lea
gue/eng.4/english-le
ague-two?cc=5739

What is your source for misinforming people of crowds of 2000? Maybe you are talking about our away following. We took 1999 to Portsmouth on Saturday and there are official figures for that too.

"Football is a money focussed profit machine" and you think Dog racing isn't?
Fieldwalker - you don't half like to spread mis-information and apply double standards "with Div2 2/3000 crowd" Wimbledon average over 4000 this season alone and have to turn people away several times a season. Here is my source: http://espnfc.com/st ats/attendance/_/lea gue/eng.4/english-le ague-two?cc=5739 What is your source for misinforming people of crowds of 2000? Maybe you are talking about our away following. We took 1999 to Portsmouth on Saturday and there are official figures for that too. "Football is a money focussed profit machine" and you think Dog racing isn't? ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -36

1:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs.

If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC.

I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this
Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs. If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC. I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this field walker
  • Score: 29

1:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Humpfree says...

Zoon , Hove and all the other 'No's' , are you all signing up for a Darby and Joan club to be built on the site ? If you get football back you'll then be moaning about the noise on a Saturday afternoon and the fact that you can't get parked anywhere ! Yes , greyhound racing isn't as it once was , but what is ? Do you want everything that isn't what it once was done away with ? In which case a football club can be added to the list as they have had their day too !!
Zoon , Hove and all the other 'No's' , are you all signing up for a Darby and Joan club to be built on the site ? If you get football back you'll then be moaning about the noise on a Saturday afternoon and the fact that you can't get parked anywhere ! Yes , greyhound racing isn't as it once was , but what is ? Do you want everything that isn't what it once was done away with ? In which case a football club can be added to the list as they have had their day too !! Humpfree
  • Score: 42

1:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Regal,racing says...

The event was as stated a show of passion, by greyhound people who care passionately first and foremost about their dogs and an about the great sport that still exists in the country. Greyhound racing does not receive I wish you all well and wish the Chapter a continued long existence crazy amounts of money from TV advertising and all the other revenue streams enjoyed by football, and so retaining and upgrading substantially the venue that exists at Wimbledon is our priority. There is a plan, a good one that services everything and everyone, and there is still an option for AFC Wimbledon close by as has always been their plan until recently. The event at City Hall was attended by 650/700 people, and there were properly accredited people on hand to,verify and most importantly ensure the safety of the event and everyone around it. That is why it was such a well run event. You can draw comment on this event and that of Manchester, I was in attendance at both and have the facts including the police feedback on attending numbers at both events, your account appears to be incorrect.

There were a number of local residents present in the group all expressing their support for the continuation of Greyhound racing, they were not just Greyhound owners either. That same local community come to the stadium in great numbers week in week out in higher number than the football community to watch Greyhound Racing. That is a fact ! local people supporting greyhound racing.
The event was as stated a show of passion, by greyhound people who care passionately first and foremost about their dogs and an about the great sport that still exists in the country. Greyhound racing does not receive I wish you all well and wish the Chapter a continued long existence crazy amounts of money from TV advertising and all the other revenue streams enjoyed by football, and so retaining and upgrading substantially the venue that exists at Wimbledon is our priority. There is a plan, a good one that services everything and everyone, and there is still an option for AFC Wimbledon close by as has always been their plan until recently. The event at City Hall was attended by 650/700 people, and there were properly accredited people on hand to,verify and most importantly ensure the safety of the event and everyone around it. That is why it was such a well run event. You can draw comment on this event and that of Manchester, I was in attendance at both and have the facts including the police feedback on attending numbers at both events, your account appears to be incorrect. There were a number of local residents present in the group all expressing their support for the continuation of Greyhound racing, they were not just Greyhound owners either. That same local community come to the stadium in great numbers week in week out in higher number than the football community to watch Greyhound Racing. That is a fact ! local people supporting greyhound racing. Regal,racing
  • Score: 55

1:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

Zoon_Politikon wrote:
The racing community are so concerned about 'anti' comments being posted in response to this article, an alert has now gone out on greyhoundscene asking for members of the racing fraternity to respond! You couldn't make it up!
And when they all flood across from there and greyhound-data.com to downvote comments that will no doubt be more vindication for them like the 'local poll' they all voted in.

Doesn't matter though. As I said they're in their own bubble where they think comments on a local newspaper website actually make any difference, and mistake a mobilisation of the greyhound industry for local support. Taggart actually knows the score which is why he's keeping a backseat. I just feel sorry for them when they have to eat their "We Love Boris" placards in a few months' time.
[quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: The racing community are so concerned about 'anti' comments being posted in response to this article, an alert has now gone out on greyhoundscene asking for members of the racing fraternity to respond! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]And when they all flood across from there and greyhound-data.com to downvote comments that will no doubt be more vindication for them like the 'local poll' they all voted in. Doesn't matter though. As I said they're in their own bubble where they think comments on a local newspaper website actually make any difference, and mistake a mobilisation of the greyhound industry for local support. Taggart actually knows the score which is why he's keeping a backseat. I just feel sorry for them when they have to eat their "We Love Boris" placards in a few months' time. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -47

1:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

field walker wrote:
Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs.

If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC.

I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this
This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters...

GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM.

Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs. If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC. I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this[/p][/quote]This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters... GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM. Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development? Arthur Morris
  • Score: -20

1:10pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

FieldWalker wrote

"Galliards want to build maximum flats/houses on the site to maximise their profit. Will they be homes the local community can afford - unlikely"

And so does Taggart. The Dog lobby keeps arguing that the Wimbledon plan involves flats and houses, as if the new Greyhound Stadium would not also be an enabling development for home building. I think they need to stop trying to pull the wool over people's eye. Here is a picture of their plans, I see plenty of housing....

http://www.irishpost
.co.uk/wp-content/up
loads/2013/09/Dogs-p
ic-n.jpg

Either that or they are the biggest, most luxurious Dog kennels that Rover and Fido have ever seen! lol
FieldWalker wrote "Galliards want to build maximum flats/houses on the site to maximise their profit. Will they be homes the local community can afford - unlikely" And so does Taggart. The Dog lobby keeps arguing that the Wimbledon plan involves flats and houses, as if the new Greyhound Stadium would not also be an enabling development for home building. I think they need to stop trying to pull the wool over people's eye. Here is a picture of their plans, I see plenty of housing.... http://www.irishpost .co.uk/wp-content/up loads/2013/09/Dogs-p ic-n.jpg Either that or they are the biggest, most luxurious Dog kennels that Rover and Fido have ever seen! lol ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -36

1:11pm Wed 19 Feb 14

co2 says...

i am sure that many who were alerted to this article on greyhound data and greyhoundscene forums like myself are also football supporters,i myself am a west ham supporter who went to wimbledons old ground,have to say theres very little difference in the size of the football crowds and those attracted to a greyhound meeting,but over the course of a year the aggregate attendances for the dogs will exceed that of the football at wimbledon,bringing revenue to merton borough,a revamped wimbledon as in paschall taggarts vision will see it as a mecca of greyhound racing,i have nothing against afc wimbledon,but this stadium is historic to greyhound racing and must stay.
i am sure that many who were alerted to this article on greyhound data and greyhoundscene forums like myself are also football supporters,i myself am a west ham supporter who went to wimbledons old ground,have to say theres very little difference in the size of the football crowds and those attracted to a greyhound meeting,but over the course of a year the aggregate attendances for the dogs will exceed that of the football at wimbledon,bringing revenue to merton borough,a revamped wimbledon as in paschall taggarts vision will see it as a mecca of greyhound racing,i have nothing against afc wimbledon,but this stadium is historic to greyhound racing and must stay. co2
  • Score: 45

1:16pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Arthur Morris - yes you are right, you can trust big property developers, and planners and Councillors etc. Must be nice to live in a nice little world where things are done as they 'should' be, based on what is just and equitable. Bless you.
Arthur Morris - yes you are right, you can trust big property developers, and planners and Councillors etc. Must be nice to live in a nice little world where things are done as they 'should' be, based on what is just and equitable. Bless you. field walker
  • Score: 25

1:31pm Wed 19 Feb 14

longrun1 says...

Do those anti racing jokers who would campaign about anything if it meant that it was another day that they didn't have to work really know anything about greyhounds ? Did you ever see a greyhound wearing a coart whilst out in the fields in years gone by in sub zero temperatures ? Yet the breed survived. That's because they're hardy creatures and in fact in many cases putting a coat on a dog just because the weather maybe cold to us , might in fact see a dog over heat. Don't let the antis misinformed information get in the way of a good old yarn though. Greyhound racing must stay at Wimbledon. Don't let another part of English heritage leave London.
Do those anti racing jokers who would campaign about anything if it meant that it was another day that they didn't have to work really know anything about greyhounds ? Did you ever see a greyhound wearing a coart whilst out in the fields in years gone by in sub zero temperatures ? Yet the breed survived. That's because they're hardy creatures and in fact in many cases putting a coat on a dog just because the weather maybe cold to us , might in fact see a dog over heat. Don't let the antis misinformed information get in the way of a good old yarn though. Greyhound racing must stay at Wimbledon. Don't let another part of English heritage leave London. longrun1
  • Score: 41

1:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Isobelteresa says...

Dear fieldwalker, I need look no further than my local independent greyhound rescue to see the state most of these dogs get abandoned in when the racing industry has finished with them, if they don't die on the track (unless they are part the lucky few that make it into the hallowed kennels of the RgT), and no further than my own couch to see a dog 'not good enough to race' abandoned in a pound in Ireland to await his fate once his time ran out, luckly rescued by an independent UK rescue who brought him over to the UK where I adopted him. He was lucky. Of the thousands bred by the industry (their numbers, not mine)far too many are unaccounted for. Before accusing others of dishonesty, you might like to research your own facts via any of the links below. And remember that those speaking out for greyhounds do not have profit in mind, which is, on the other hand, the ultimate aim of any gambling industry.
www.greytexploitatio
ns.
www.greyhoundsafe.co
m
http://www.cagednw.c
o.uk
Dear fieldwalker, I need look no further than my local independent greyhound rescue to see the state most of these dogs get abandoned in when the racing industry has finished with them, if they don't die on the track (unless they are part the lucky few that make it into the hallowed kennels of the RgT), and no further than my own couch to see a dog 'not good enough to race' abandoned in a pound in Ireland to await his fate once his time ran out, luckly rescued by an independent UK rescue who brought him over to the UK where I adopted him. He was lucky. Of the thousands bred by the industry (their numbers, not mine)far too many are unaccounted for. Before accusing others of dishonesty, you might like to research your own facts via any of the links below. And remember that those speaking out for greyhounds do not have profit in mind, which is, on the other hand, the ultimate aim of any gambling industry. www.greytexploitatio ns. www.greyhoundsafe.co m http://www.cagednw.c o.uk Isobelteresa
  • Score: -50

1:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!!

These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday??

Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it.

I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.
All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!! These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday?? Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it. I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people. tomlinks
  • Score: 50

1:44pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kintyre says...

Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg Kintyre
  • Score: -47

1:47pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

field walker wrote:
Arthur Morris - yes you are right, you can trust big property developers, and planners and Councillors etc. Must be nice to live in a nice little world where things are done as they 'should' be, based on what is just and equitable. Bless you.
You are funny. Flood plains, 2000 crowds and now dodgy developers. Looking forward to seeing what straw you clutch at next.

I don't trust the councillors or developers as far as I could throw them down the Wandle (that's the local river, for those supporting dog racing who know nothing about the area) but I'd probably set a bit more store by a named developer that has done this many times before than the shadowy 'partners' involved with Taggart. Can you show me a single example of a stadium that was part of an enabling development but wasn't built, by Galliard or anybody else? I've never heard of one. But just about any stadium put up in the last 10 years *was* built that way.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Arthur Morris - yes you are right, you can trust big property developers, and planners and Councillors etc. Must be nice to live in a nice little world where things are done as they 'should' be, based on what is just and equitable. Bless you.[/p][/quote]You are funny. Flood plains, 2000 crowds and now dodgy developers. Looking forward to seeing what straw you clutch at next. I don't trust the councillors or developers as far as I could throw them down the Wandle (that's the local river, for those supporting dog racing who know nothing about the area) but I'd probably set a bit more store by a named developer that has done this many times before than the shadowy 'partners' involved with Taggart. Can you show me a single example of a stadium that was part of an enabling development but wasn't built, by Galliard or anybody else? I've never heard of one. But just about any stadium put up in the last 10 years *was* built that way. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -29

1:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

tomlinks wrote:
All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!!

These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday??

Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it.

I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.
I’m not sure many volunteers involved in the rescue of greyhounds would agree, and not least Chair of Lancashire and Belle Vue RGT, Sarah Horner. In 2011, and before the branch was affiliated to Belle Vue, Horner publicly spoke out about life on the ‘front line’ and helping dogs “with maggots crawling out of festering wounds” and “covered in crap and pee, and emaciated.” The volunteer further accused owners and trainers of dumping greyhounds on branch doorsteps and threatening to have the animals destroyed if not taken in, adding: “I had one Belle Vue owner bring a dog to me whose back leg was dangling the wrong way round. He had it in his arms and shoved the dog at me and said ‘see what you can do with him’ laughed and walked off.”8-22 Not representative? According to Horner the above is an example of what is seen at many non-track based RGT branches.

Horner, S., forum posting under “BVRGT, the jibes continue,” #56*, 24 Mar. 2011, Belle Vue Owners Forum

*After I had referenced some of Horner’s comments her posting was removed, likely to save the industry further embarrassment. The thread remains and what originally was posting #57 (and the initial response to Horner’s posting) became #56.
[quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!! These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday?? Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it. I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure many volunteers involved in the rescue of greyhounds would agree, and not least Chair of Lancashire and Belle Vue RGT, Sarah Horner. In 2011, and before the branch was affiliated to Belle Vue, Horner publicly spoke out about life on the ‘front line’ and helping dogs “with maggots crawling out of festering wounds” and “covered in crap and pee, and emaciated.” The volunteer further accused owners and trainers of dumping greyhounds on branch doorsteps and threatening to have the animals destroyed if not taken in, adding: “I had one Belle Vue owner bring a dog to me whose back leg was dangling the wrong way round. He had it in his arms and shoved the dog at me and said ‘see what you can do with him’ [and then] laughed and walked off.”8-22 Not representative? According to Horner the above is an example of what is seen at many non-track based RGT branches. Horner, S., forum posting under “BVRGT, the jibes continue,” #56*, 24 Mar. 2011, Belle Vue Owners Forum *After I had referenced some of Horner’s comments her posting was removed, likely to save the industry further embarrassment. The thread remains and what originally was posting #57 (and the initial response to Horner’s posting) became #56. Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -34

1:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

longrun1 says...

Kintyre wrote:
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.
[quote][p][bold]Kintyre[/bold] wrote: Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg[/p][/quote]Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately. longrun1
  • Score: 41

1:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Isobelteresa, the dwindling number of tracks is because the land has become very much more valuable on this overcrowded island of ours. There is a reason 95%+ of previous tracks are now houses/flats and supermarkets.

I was talking about dishonesty of those saying there were 50 odd people, and those people, like you, not even being there. It can easily be verified with a quick call to City Hall. And the ridiculous argument that it was cruel to greyhounds, when it was dry and 11C..

I wonder do you also protest against breeding for domestic dogs, pitbulls, staffy's, huskys, alaskan malamutes, labradors, abused children, abused women, abused men....whenever all of these are abused it's a disgrace..and particularly breeding of dangerous dogs imo.

I see you've declined to name these "fatcats" responsible for "shooting dogs" - is that because your statement is not true?

And as for dogs death on tracks, are you saying this is a regular occurrence? Like the onesided uninformed brainwashed vitriol of the websites you've posted, I think you need to go to a professional greyhound kennel and see how it is run, rather than jump on this fad-gullible bandwagon based on incorrect information and deceiving information bandied about
Isobelteresa, the dwindling number of tracks is because the land has become very much more valuable on this overcrowded island of ours. There is a reason 95%+ of previous tracks are now houses/flats and supermarkets. I was talking about dishonesty of those saying there were 50 odd people, and those people, like you, not even being there. It can easily be verified with a quick call to City Hall. And the ridiculous argument that it was cruel to greyhounds, when it was dry and 11C.. I wonder do you also protest against breeding for domestic dogs, pitbulls, staffy's, huskys, alaskan malamutes, labradors, abused children, abused women, abused men....whenever all of these are abused it's a disgrace..and particularly breeding of dangerous dogs imo. I see you've declined to name these "fatcats" responsible for "shooting dogs" - is that because your statement is not true? And as for dogs death on tracks, are you saying this is a regular occurrence? Like the onesided uninformed brainwashed vitriol of the websites you've posted, I think you need to go to a professional greyhound kennel and see how it is run, rather than jump on this fad-gullible bandwagon based on incorrect information and deceiving information bandied about field walker
  • Score: 40

1:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Sorenmclorenson says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.
This post is attempting to poorly generalise those who feel that greyhound racing should be seen as a thing of the past by, yet again, using the social class argument to distinguish people. I am not middle class and I would not have any problems voicing my opinions at any of the aforementioned 'sports' such as shooting or Polo. My stance on the subject has nothing to do with decrying a working man's sport; I myself live on a council estate and am a student nurse who works hard. My stance comes from the fact that I own a rescue greyhound who suffered a great deal before he came to me. I would like to know what people who support the racing industry feel about my own greyhound's plight when his breeders attempted to drown him at 9 months of age only for him to escape and be found as an emaciated stray? I understand that not all breeders treat their dogs in such an appalling manner; however, you only need to look at rescue centre numbers to suggest that greyhounds are treated as commodities to be discarded, without a further thought, when some breeders please. This is indeed the case for all other dogs in rescue centres; however, we are not debating their issue. Greyhounds are an unusual breed of dog in that they require calm, supportive environments due to their tendency to become nervous around noise. They also need to be housed and clothed properly due to their short fur and low body fat. They do not like to be forced to run around a track for the amusement of others; they love to run when it is on their own terms and in their own environment.
I think the statement about high numbers who attend Saturday race meetings is also based on a dubious argument. The supporters may be there, but racetracks have to tempt them in with the lure of an extremely cheap night. Friends I have spoken to who have attended race nights say that they don't even watch the dogs, they go to drink and eat cheap food. Additionally, why do racetracks have to subsidise their earnings by holding other events? Football crowds, however small, will bring in more revenue for surrounding businesses (such as takeaways and pubs) because fans going to the ground will utilise these on the way in and out of matches.
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.[/p][/quote]This post is attempting to poorly generalise those who feel that greyhound racing should be seen as a thing of the past by, yet again, using the social class argument to distinguish people. I am not middle class and I would not have any problems voicing my opinions at any of the aforementioned 'sports' such as shooting or Polo. My stance on the subject has nothing to do with decrying a working man's sport; I myself live on a council estate and am a student nurse who works hard. My stance comes from the fact that I own a rescue greyhound who suffered a great deal before he came to me. I would like to know what people who support the racing industry feel about my own greyhound's plight when his breeders attempted to drown him at 9 months of age only for him to escape and be found as an emaciated stray? I understand that not all breeders treat their dogs in such an appalling manner; however, you only need to look at rescue centre numbers to suggest that greyhounds are treated as commodities to be discarded, without a further thought, when some breeders please. This is indeed the case for all other dogs in rescue centres; however, we are not debating their issue. Greyhounds are an unusual breed of dog in that they require calm, supportive environments due to their tendency to become nervous around noise. They also need to be housed and clothed properly due to their short fur and low body fat. They do not like to be forced to run around a track for the amusement of others; they love to run when it is on their own terms and in their own environment. I think the statement about high numbers who attend Saturday race meetings is also based on a dubious argument. The supporters may be there, but racetracks have to tempt them in with the lure of an extremely cheap night. Friends I have spoken to who have attended race nights say that they don't even watch the dogs, they go to drink and eat cheap food. Additionally, why do racetracks have to subsidise their earnings by holding other events? Football crowds, however small, will bring in more revenue for surrounding businesses (such as takeaways and pubs) because fans going to the ground will utilise these on the way in and out of matches. Sorenmclorenson
  • Score: -25

1:56pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Kintyre, at 11C-12C do you think it is necessary to have a greyhound wear a coat. At 15C do you?

I'd be more concerned with your ignorance of putting a coat on a greyhound and not knowing when it can overheat....
Kintyre, at 11C-12C do you think it is necessary to have a greyhound wear a coat. At 15C do you? I'd be more concerned with your ignorance of putting a coat on a greyhound and not knowing when it can overheat.... field walker
  • Score: 32

1:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

At least one senior vet was at the gathering, this was arranged by the sports governing body in advance
At least one senior vet was at the gathering, this was arranged by the sports governing body in advance field walker
  • Score: 39

1:58pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Kintyre wrote:
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
So the RSPCA centres are full of different breeds of dogs, Labradors, staffies, retrievers, you name it hey will be in there. Why is it that Labrador owners are not branded with the cruelty brush?

You cant take a bad experience and brand everybody involved with the sport with the same bad experience. For every bad experience there will be a good one, but as it doesn't make for good news articles they are hardly ever heard!

Again as I've said they are not forced to run, if that dog wants to stop running it will! they can't be forced to chase the lure!

"these dogs feel the cold very badly" - Does it look to you like it was raining? Are you seriously telling me that greyhounds must be coated at all times as they have short hair??

I suppose I better go into business selling them then because there are thousands of short haired dogs about who clearly need coats 24/7!!

Beagle, Staffies, Great Dane, Shar Pei, German SHORTHAIRED Pointer to name but a few.....
[quote][p][bold]Kintyre[/bold] wrote: Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg[/p][/quote]So the RSPCA centres are full of different breeds of dogs, Labradors, staffies, retrievers, you name it hey will be in there. Why is it that Labrador owners are not branded with the cruelty brush? You cant take a bad experience and brand everybody involved with the sport with the same bad experience. For every bad experience there will be a good one, but as it doesn't make for good news articles they are hardly ever heard! Again as I've said they are not forced to run, if that dog wants to stop running it will! they can't be forced to chase the lure! "these dogs feel the cold very badly" - Does it look to you like it was raining? Are you seriously telling me that greyhounds must be coated at all times as they have short hair?? I suppose I better go into business selling them then because there are thousands of short haired dogs about who clearly need coats 24/7!! Beagle, Staffies, Great Dane, Shar Pei, German SHORTHAIRED Pointer to name but a few..... tomlinks
  • Score: 36

2:11pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Zoon_Politikon wrote:
tomlinks wrote:
All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!!

These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday??

Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it.

I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.
I’m not sure many volunteers involved in the rescue of greyhounds would agree, and not least Chair of Lancashire and Belle Vue RGT, Sarah Horner. In 2011, and before the branch was affiliated to Belle Vue, Horner publicly spoke out about life on the ‘front line’ and helping dogs “with maggots crawling out of festering wounds” and “covered in crap and pee, and emaciated.” The volunteer further accused owners and trainers of dumping greyhounds on branch doorsteps and threatening to have the animals destroyed if not taken in, adding: “I had one Belle Vue owner bring a dog to me whose back leg was dangling the wrong way round. He had it in his arms and shoved the dog at me and said ‘see what you can do with him’ laughed and walked off.”8-22 Not representative? According to Horner the above is an example of what is seen at many non-track based RGT branches.

Horner, S., forum posting under “BVRGT, the jibes continue,” #56*, 24 Mar. 2011, Belle Vue Owners Forum

*After I had referenced some of Horner’s comments her posting was removed, likely to save the industry further embarrassment. The thread remains and what originally was posting #57 (and the initial response to Horner’s posting) became #56.
Well I'm glad you can work the copy and paste function on your keyboard.

Now have YOU PERSONALLY every visited a racing kennel? I'm inviting you to mine, anytime of the day to show you what a great life they lead. If yuo can take the points from a bad experience and use it against greyhound racing then surely its only fair to take the points from a good experience and use it to support the racing?
[quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!! These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday?? Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it. I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure many volunteers involved in the rescue of greyhounds would agree, and not least Chair of Lancashire and Belle Vue RGT, Sarah Horner. In 2011, and before the branch was affiliated to Belle Vue, Horner publicly spoke out about life on the ‘front line’ and helping dogs “with maggots crawling out of festering wounds” and “covered in crap and pee, and emaciated.” The volunteer further accused owners and trainers of dumping greyhounds on branch doorsteps and threatening to have the animals destroyed if not taken in, adding: “I had one Belle Vue owner bring a dog to me whose back leg was dangling the wrong way round. He had it in his arms and shoved the dog at me and said ‘see what you can do with him’ [and then] laughed and walked off.”8-22 Not representative? According to Horner the above is an example of what is seen at many non-track based RGT branches. Horner, S., forum posting under “BVRGT, the jibes continue,” #56*, 24 Mar. 2011, Belle Vue Owners Forum *After I had referenced some of Horner’s comments her posting was removed, likely to save the industry further embarrassment. The thread remains and what originally was posting #57 (and the initial response to Horner’s posting) became #56.[/p][/quote]Well I'm glad you can work the copy and paste function on your keyboard. Now have YOU PERSONALLY every visited a racing kennel? I'm inviting you to mine, anytime of the day to show you what a great life they lead. If yuo can take the points from a bad experience and use it against greyhound racing then surely its only fair to take the points from a good experience and use it to support the racing? tomlinks
  • Score: 46

2:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

longrun1 wrote:
Kintyre wrote:
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.
Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject:

“When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”
[quote][p][bold]longrun1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kintyre[/bold] wrote: Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg[/p][/quote]Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.[/p][/quote]Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject: “When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.” Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -38

2:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now
Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now cheshire_womble
  • Score: -45

2:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now
Greyhound racing provides multitude of charity days, RGT days and fun days for kids. Not to mention huge variety of competitions which attract viewers from all over the world. It may be boring for you but to others its the greatest sport in the world, its all about opinions. I'm not going to sit and say that your favorite sport is 'boring' just because I'm not a fan personally.

Show of passion itself has proved how families are brought together through greyhound racing!

As for atmosphere watch this video and tell me there is no atmosphere?

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=uYdYuoQu
kgE
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now[/p][/quote]Greyhound racing provides multitude of charity days, RGT days and fun days for kids. Not to mention huge variety of competitions which attract viewers from all over the world. It may be boring for you but to others its the greatest sport in the world, its all about opinions. I'm not going to sit and say that your favorite sport is 'boring' just because I'm not a fan personally. Show of passion itself has proved how families are brought together through greyhound racing! As for atmosphere watch this video and tell me there is no atmosphere? https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=uYdYuoQu kgE tomlinks
  • Score: 42

2:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ragwort says...

You 'pro' racing people make me sick. Still trying to hide your dirty little secrets. I'm sorry but the game is up. Why will your governing body the GBGB not publish figures for deaths and injuries? I'll tell you why, they are ashamed to! As for welfare..don't make me laugh. It's a fact that dogs are graded badly in races to cause trouble at the deadly first bend to keep the bookmakers happy. And of course the Irish would support this..where else would they send all the puppies they overbreed every year to be used as a 'betting unit', a commodity?. This so called sport is dying and not before time. Shame on you all!
You 'pro' racing people make me sick. Still trying to hide your dirty little secrets. I'm sorry but the game is up. Why will your governing body the GBGB not publish figures for deaths and injuries? I'll tell you why, they are ashamed to! As for welfare..don't make me laugh. It's a fact that dogs are graded badly in races to cause trouble at the deadly first bend to keep the bookmakers happy. And of course the Irish would support this..where else would they send all the puppies they overbreed every year to be used as a 'betting unit', a commodity?. This so called sport is dying and not before time. Shame on you all! ragwort
  • Score: -37

2:26pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper? field walker
  • Score: 46

2:27pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Zoon_Politikon wrote:
longrun1 wrote:
Kintyre wrote:
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.
Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject:

“When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”
You've taken a quote which is 12 years out of date, the progression made since then in track preparation has been massive. You should really think carefully before using quotes from 12 years ago, think about the changes since then!

When this was said by Paddy Sweeney the first Ipod has only been launched 3 months....now look at the changes in 12 years
[quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longrun1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kintyre[/bold] wrote: Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg[/p][/quote]Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.[/p][/quote]Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject: “When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”[/p][/quote]You've taken a quote which is 12 years out of date, the progression made since then in track preparation has been massive. You should really think carefully before using quotes from 12 years ago, think about the changes since then! When this was said by Paddy Sweeney the first Ipod has only been launched 3 months....now look at the changes in 12 years tomlinks
  • Score: 38

2:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Zoon_Politikon wrote:
The racing community are so concerned about 'anti' comments being posted in response to this article, an alert has now gone out on greyhoundscene asking for members of the racing fraternity to respond! You couldn't make it up!
What really gets up the noses of the numpties on greyhoundscene, is they are unable to ban the authors of these comments, or in fact delete the said comments. Anybody who has seen the video highlighting the idiot owner of greyhoundscene, are very quickly drawn to the conclusion that greyhound racing is better off as a memory, than being run for profit by this numbskull and his greyhoundscene followers.
[quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: The racing community are so concerned about 'anti' comments being posted in response to this article, an alert has now gone out on greyhoundscene asking for members of the racing fraternity to respond! You couldn't make it up![/p][/quote]What really gets up the noses of the numpties on greyhoundscene, is they are unable to ban the authors of these comments, or in fact delete the said comments. Anybody who has seen the video highlighting the idiot owner of greyhoundscene, are very quickly drawn to the conclusion that greyhound racing is better off as a memory, than being run for profit by this numbskull and his greyhoundscene followers. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -41

2:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Walterwhippet says...

Residents in Wimbledon are clearly saying they support the Dons, a quick look at housing need for the area in local housing strategy tells you housing shortfall is also a priority for the local community ..or dont "homeless people" (using a statutory definition) or people crammed into over occupied and poor accommodation matter?
As for greyhound racing imo some trainers do have some concern s to the welfare of the dogs but their "love and concern" doesnt stop them putting dogs on tracks with eg dangerous first bends, and then they weep when the dog is injured or killed ...... Ive been to kennels BTW not how Id allow my dog to live but then my dog is worth more to me than a few quid or my need for an ego boost ...ooh look my dogs faster than yours ...
Finally its a good point how do we know how many dogs are killed as a result of track injuries or euthanised shortly after injury or PTS as no homes are available and trainers need "fresh dogs" ..Is this info freely available via the GBGB???? No it isnt its only via exposing investigations are we any the wiser ..no this is an outdated cruel industry using animals as a disposable product weve other priorities for a civilised society
Residents in Wimbledon are clearly saying they support the Dons, a quick look at housing need for the area in local housing strategy tells you housing shortfall is also a priority for the local community ..or dont "homeless people" (using a statutory definition) or people crammed into over occupied and poor accommodation matter? As for greyhound racing imo some trainers do have some concern s to the welfare of the dogs but their "love and concern" doesnt stop them putting dogs on tracks with eg dangerous first bends, and then they weep when the dog is injured or killed ...... Ive been to kennels BTW not how Id allow my dog to live but then my dog is worth more to me than a few quid or my need for an ego boost ...ooh look my dogs faster than yours ... Finally its a good point how do we know how many dogs are killed as a result of track injuries or euthanised shortly after injury or PTS as no homes are available and trainers need "fresh dogs" ..Is this info freely available via the GBGB???? No it isnt its only via exposing investigations are we any the wiser ..no this is an outdated cruel industry using animals as a disposable product weve other priorities for a civilised society Walterwhippet
  • Score: -39

2:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

ragwort..."deadly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell
ragwort..."deadly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell field walker
  • Score: 28

2:31pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

ragwort wrote:
You 'pro' racing people make me sick. Still trying to hide your dirty little secrets. I'm sorry but the game is up. Why will your governing body the GBGB not publish figures for deaths and injuries? I'll tell you why, they are ashamed to! As for welfare..don't make me laugh. It's a fact that dogs are graded badly in races to cause trouble at the deadly first bend to keep the bookmakers happy. And of course the Irish would support this..where else would they send all the puppies they overbreed every year to be used as a 'betting unit', a commodity?. This so called sport is dying and not before time. Shame on you all!
Dogs are graded badly?

Dogs are graded to create competitive racing based on times, they are graded to finish as close together as possible, the rubbish you have stated with regards to 'graded badly in races to cause trouble' what facts do you have to support this? I suspect zero.
[quote][p][bold]ragwort[/bold] wrote: You 'pro' racing people make me sick. Still trying to hide your dirty little secrets. I'm sorry but the game is up. Why will your governing body the GBGB not publish figures for deaths and injuries? I'll tell you why, they are ashamed to! As for welfare..don't make me laugh. It's a fact that dogs are graded badly in races to cause trouble at the deadly first bend to keep the bookmakers happy. And of course the Irish would support this..where else would they send all the puppies they overbreed every year to be used as a 'betting unit', a commodity?. This so called sport is dying and not before time. Shame on you all![/p][/quote]Dogs are graded badly? Dogs are graded to create competitive racing based on times, they are graded to finish as close together as possible, the rubbish you have stated with regards to 'graded badly in races to cause trouble' what facts do you have to support this? I suspect zero. tomlinks
  • Score: 35

2:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

tomlinks wrote:
Zoon_Politikon wrote:
longrun1 wrote:
Kintyre wrote:
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.
Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject:

“When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”
You've taken a quote which is 12 years out of date, the progression made since then in track preparation has been massive. You should really think carefully before using quotes from 12 years ago, think about the changes since then!

When this was said by Paddy Sweeney the first Ipod has only been launched 3 months....now look at the changes in 12 years
In September 2010 we had what the newly formed Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association (GOBATA) described as an “injury crisis.” Group chairman Martin White waded in saying: “The matter is of serious concern to practitioners, many of whom have been in touch with GOBATA reporting their individual experiences and frustration at what appears to be an inordinate amount of greyhounds suffering serious injuries.”

Online news posting, 24 Sep. 2010, Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association. URL not available

More up-to-date for you?
[quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longrun1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kintyre[/bold] wrote: Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg[/p][/quote]Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.[/p][/quote]Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject: “When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”[/p][/quote]You've taken a quote which is 12 years out of date, the progression made since then in track preparation has been massive. You should really think carefully before using quotes from 12 years ago, think about the changes since then! When this was said by Paddy Sweeney the first Ipod has only been launched 3 months....now look at the changes in 12 years[/p][/quote]In September 2010 we had what the newly formed Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association (GOBATA) described as an “injury crisis.” Group chairman Martin White waded in saying: “The matter is of serious concern to practitioners, many of whom have been in touch with GOBATA reporting their individual experiences and frustration at what appears to be an inordinate amount of greyhounds suffering serious injuries.” Online news posting, 24 Sep. 2010, Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association. URL not available More up-to-date for you? Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -33

2:46pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

field walker wrote:
ragwort..."dead
ly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell
The answer to why the first bend is lethal is comprehensively covered in a new book available from March this year: Behind the Lights, the Tote and the Non-starters. Never has a publication covered, in both breadth and detail, the welfare of greyhounds bred for racing in Britain as this publication does. Never has a publication taken also an objective look at the campaign opposing greyhound racing and the position of the walfarists in relation to the plight of greyhounds. A compelling read for anyone with an interest in greyhounds, their welfare and the racing industry. Truly unique, in parts controversial and based on many years painstaking research.

Must go now. Bye, bye
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: ragwort..."dead ly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell[/p][/quote]The answer to why the first bend is lethal is comprehensively covered in a new book available from March this year: Behind the Lights, the Tote and the Non-starters. Never has a publication covered, in both breadth and detail, the welfare of greyhounds bred for racing in Britain as this publication does. Never has a publication taken also an objective look at the campaign opposing greyhound racing and the position of the walfarists in relation to the plight of greyhounds. A compelling read for anyone with an interest in greyhounds, their welfare and the racing industry. Truly unique, in parts controversial and based on many years painstaking research. Must go now. Bye, bye Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -32

2:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Zoon_Politikon wrote:
tomlinks wrote:
Zoon_Politikon wrote:
longrun1 wrote:
Kintyre wrote:
Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it.
The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm.
Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg
Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.
Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject:

“When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”
You've taken a quote which is 12 years out of date, the progression made since then in track preparation has been massive. You should really think carefully before using quotes from 12 years ago, think about the changes since then!

When this was said by Paddy Sweeney the first Ipod has only been launched 3 months....now look at the changes in 12 years
In September 2010 we had what the newly formed Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association (GOBATA) described as an “injury crisis.” Group chairman Martin White waded in saying: “The matter is of serious concern to practitioners, many of whom have been in touch with GOBATA reporting their individual experiences and frustration at what appears to be an inordinate amount of greyhounds suffering serious injuries.”

Online news posting, 24 Sep. 2010, Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association. URL not available

More up-to-date for you?
Just to follow suit with the Copy & Paste material which demonstrates whats happened in those 12 years since:

"In 2009 attention will there fore turn to the development of a hybrid material that is likely to combine the beneficial properties of sand and Viscoride that we have identified.

"Research to find any safer and more easily maintained alternative to wet sand that may exist has been a fundamental part of our welfare work and one that I'm pleased that the GBGB is keen to continue."

Meanwhile, the BGRB is close to completing its 2008 programme of track safety improvement projects. Through funding the board's welfare budget, projects have been completed at 21 stadia across the country.

"Trainers, owners and punters should notice improved drainage at Crayford, Hove, Hull, Kinsley, Newcastle, Sheffield and Sunderland and new inner running rails installed at Crayford, Hall Green, Monmore, Nottingham, Perry Barr, Shawfield, Sittingbourne and Yarmouth," explained BGRB spokesman Peter Laurie.

"A number of tracks have had their cambers adjusted, including Henlow, Hove, Sittingbourne and Swindon.

Safety curtains have been installed at Monmore, Newcastle, Romford, Sunderland and Yarmouth, while Harlow, Henlow and Hull have all taken delivery of new track preparation equipment.

"The programme of installing bore holes at tracks that require them to allow year-round watering has now been completed, following drilling at Doncaster, Newcastle, Shawfield and Sunderland in 2008. The BGRB also oversaw and part-funded the relaying of the running surface at Sheffield."

Haynes said that the sums involved are significant. "By the end of the year, we will have spent a quarter of a million pounds on improvement projects nationwide, and that follows a half a million pounds investment in 2007. I really hope stakeholders are noticing the benefits; our aim is to reduce injuries and extend racing careers as best we can.

"In 2009 we will be continuing with our work, and will be providing more training to ground staff to ensure all are well versed in preparation and maintenance best practice."
[quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longrun1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kintyre[/bold] wrote: Anybody who supports this cruel sport should go work in a Greyhound Rescue Centre to fully understand the cruelty these animals suffer at the hands of trainers. Greyhounds are big placid beautiful creatures and lazy with it. The picture above says it all. The dog without a coat. These dogs feel the cold very badly as any responsible owner will confirm. Let football players have the ground, at least they have the choice as to whether they want to run an break a leg[/p][/quote]Greyhounds were born to run , depriving them of that would be cruel. They run on specially prepared tracks with their welfare of the highest importance. As in any sport injuries can and do happen but on the occasions that they do the very best vets in the country are at hand to care for these beautiful dogs immediately.[/p][/quote]Track safety? This is what renowned veterinarian and racing enthusiast Paddy Sweeney had to say on the subject: “When I first went to the dogs as a student there was ‘little champions’ sound to run for three or four seasons. Now there are dogs running at almost twice that weight and about 25 lengths faster. But how long do they last? They may be crippled before they have had 10 races. There is no excuse for being ignorant about the carnage. I have done my duty as a vet to advise people about limiting it (for forty years). The tragedy is that promoters, bookmakers and the sham body set up to protect their interests, seem more interested in exploiting the trainers and the greyhounds for the maximum financial return than in listening.”[/p][/quote]You've taken a quote which is 12 years out of date, the progression made since then in track preparation has been massive. You should really think carefully before using quotes from 12 years ago, think about the changes since then! When this was said by Paddy Sweeney the first Ipod has only been launched 3 months....now look at the changes in 12 years[/p][/quote]In September 2010 we had what the newly formed Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association (GOBATA) described as an “injury crisis.” Group chairman Martin White waded in saying: “The matter is of serious concern to practitioners, many of whom have been in touch with GOBATA reporting their individual experiences and frustration at what appears to be an inordinate amount of greyhounds suffering serious injuries.” Online news posting, 24 Sep. 2010, Greyhound Owners, Breeders and Trainers Association. URL not available More up-to-date for you?[/p][/quote]Just to follow suit with the Copy & Paste material which demonstrates whats happened in those 12 years since: "In 2009 attention will there fore turn to the development of a hybrid material that is likely to combine the beneficial properties of sand and Viscoride that we have identified. "Research to find any safer and more easily maintained alternative to wet sand that may exist has been a fundamental part of our welfare work and one that I'm pleased that the GBGB is keen to continue." Meanwhile, the BGRB is close to completing its 2008 programme of track safety improvement projects. Through funding the board's welfare budget, projects have been completed at 21 stadia across the country. "Trainers, owners and punters should notice improved drainage at Crayford, Hove, Hull, Kinsley, Newcastle, Sheffield and Sunderland and new inner running rails installed at Crayford, Hall Green, Monmore, Nottingham, Perry Barr, Shawfield, Sittingbourne and Yarmouth," explained BGRB spokesman Peter Laurie. "A number of tracks have had their cambers adjusted, including Henlow, Hove, Sittingbourne and Swindon. Safety curtains have been installed at Monmore, Newcastle, Romford, Sunderland and Yarmouth, while Harlow, Henlow and Hull have all taken delivery of new track preparation equipment. "The programme of installing bore holes at tracks that require them to allow year-round watering has now been completed, following drilling at Doncaster, Newcastle, Shawfield and Sunderland in 2008. The BGRB also oversaw and part-funded the relaying of the running surface at Sheffield." Haynes said that the sums involved are significant. "By the end of the year, we will have spent a quarter of a million pounds on improvement projects nationwide, and that follows a half a million pounds investment in 2007. I really hope stakeholders are noticing the benefits; our aim is to reduce injuries and extend racing careers as best we can. "In 2009 we will be continuing with our work, and will be providing more training to ground staff to ensure all are well versed in preparation and maintenance best practice." tomlinks
  • Score: 33

2:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Zoon, are you twisting words and context. This was relating to a track that had been relaid with sand and hd seen a number of injuries, and the track has subsequently had work done to bring up to standard including banking of bends to improve safety?

I will not name the track, because unlike you, I will not put something sensational and controversial out without being able to provide the evidence, i.e the statement webpage
Zoon, are you twisting words and context. This was relating to a track that had been relaid with sand and hd seen a number of injuries, and the track has subsequently had work done to bring up to standard including banking of bends to improve safety? I will not name the track, because unlike you, I will not put something sensational and controversial out without being able to provide the evidence, i.e the statement webpage field walker
  • Score: 31

2:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Zoon_Politikon wrote:
field walker wrote:
ragwort..."dead

ly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell
The answer to why the first bend is lethal is comprehensively covered in a new book available from March this year: Behind the Lights, the Tote and the Non-starters. Never has a publication covered, in both breadth and detail, the welfare of greyhounds bred for racing in Britain as this publication does. Never has a publication taken also an objective look at the campaign opposing greyhound racing and the position of the walfarists in relation to the plight of greyhounds. A compelling read for anyone with an interest in greyhounds, their welfare and the racing industry. Truly unique, in parts controversial and based on many years painstaking research.

Must go now. Bye, bye
You Literally just copy and paste every argument you have put.

Greyhoundwatch forum?

Do YOU not have a personal opinion? Do YOU actually have any facts from experience?

Again.....I think not
[quote][p][bold]Zoon_Politikon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: ragwort..."dead ly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell[/p][/quote]The answer to why the first bend is lethal is comprehensively covered in a new book available from March this year: Behind the Lights, the Tote and the Non-starters. Never has a publication covered, in both breadth and detail, the welfare of greyhounds bred for racing in Britain as this publication does. Never has a publication taken also an objective look at the campaign opposing greyhound racing and the position of the walfarists in relation to the plight of greyhounds. A compelling read for anyone with an interest in greyhounds, their welfare and the racing industry. Truly unique, in parts controversial and based on many years painstaking research. Must go now. Bye, bye[/p][/quote]You Literally just copy and paste every argument you have put. Greyhoundwatch forum? Do YOU not have a personal opinion? Do YOU actually have any facts from experience? Again.....I think not tomlinks
  • Score: 34

2:53pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

field walker wrote:
Zoon, are you twisting words and context. This was relating to a track that had been relaid with sand and hd seen a number of injuries, and the track has subsequently had work done to bring up to standard including banking of bends to improve safety?

I will not name the track, because unlike you, I will not put something sensational and controversial out without being able to provide the evidence, i.e the statement webpage
Field Walker....I don't think Zoon actually knows how to type!!

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[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Zoon, are you twisting words and context. This was relating to a track that had been relaid with sand and hd seen a number of injuries, and the track has subsequently had work done to bring up to standard including banking of bends to improve safety? I will not name the track, because unlike you, I will not put something sensational and controversial out without being able to provide the evidence, i.e the statement webpage[/p][/quote]Field Walker....I don't think Zoon actually knows how to type!! Copy Paste Post Comment tomlinks
  • Score: 26

2:58pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death.
Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen
Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death. Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -31

3:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

amazing how a book can be so informed, so perceptive and eulogized about so much,...and yet it hasn't even been published yet, lol typical
amazing how a book can be so informed, so perceptive and eulogized about so much,...and yet it hasn't even been published yet, lol typical field walker
  • Score: 13

3:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Greyhoundlover wrote:
Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death.
Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen
How can you say that people who take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days a year do not care?

Another narrow minded comments tarring everyone with the same brush.
[quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death. Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen[/p][/quote]How can you say that people who take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days a year do not care? Another narrow minded comments tarring everyone with the same brush. tomlinks
  • Score: 33

3:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

oh dear "Greyhoundlover" - youve been reading the anti websites and signed up to their propaganda....? It's a shame you can't do your own reseach..and just believe what is spouted.

1. Of these racing kennels that earn their living out of the industry that you say do not care for hounds, please list any of the racing kennels that you have visited that do not care for their hounds and some examples. As youve said it's the majority you must know many, pls just list the first 5 or so that come to your mind....

2. What is your comment on the numerous racing kennels that have many retired in the kennels until they pass on of old age, both breeding dams, ex champion racers, and other dogs that have served the kennel not just winning champions.?

And what about the racing kennels that have contracts with the Retired Greyhound Trust that do just that..training dog for life after racing, checking out homes and suitability, being there for return of dog if the 1st rehoming does not work out..and will rehome subsequently...and those greyhounds come back to the kennel to be pampered for a week or two when their new owners are unable to take them on holiday with them......the trainers get paid for rehoming by RGT Charity..some of these 90 odd branches around the country rehome into 3 figures dogs per annum..so how can you say there is no place for them in the kennel?
oh dear "Greyhoundlover" - youve been reading the anti websites and signed up to their propaganda....? It's a shame you can't do your own reseach..and just believe what is spouted. 1. Of these racing kennels that earn their living out of the industry that you say do not care for hounds, please list any of the racing kennels that you have visited that do not care for their hounds and some examples. As youve said it's the majority you must know many, pls just list the first 5 or so that come to your mind.... 2. What is your comment on the numerous racing kennels that have many retired in the kennels until they pass on of old age, both breeding dams, ex champion racers, and other dogs that have served the kennel not just winning champions.? And what about the racing kennels that have contracts with the Retired Greyhound Trust that do just that..training dog for life after racing, checking out homes and suitability, being there for return of dog if the 1st rehoming does not work out..and will rehome subsequently...and those greyhounds come back to the kennel to be pampered for a week or two when their new owners are unable to take them on holiday with them......the trainers get paid for rehoming by RGT Charity..some of these 90 odd branches around the country rehome into 3 figures dogs per annum..so how can you say there is no place for them in the kennel? field walker
  • Score: 29

3:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

tomlinks wrote:
Greyhoundlover wrote:
Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death.
Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen
How can you say that people who take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days a year do not care?

Another narrow minded comments tarring everyone with the same brush.
So what you are appearing to say is some greyhound people do care, while there are many greyhound people that don't. Isn't that what I said when I wrote? "Of course some people care"

tomlinks pay attention please.
[quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death. Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen[/p][/quote]How can you say that people who take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days a year do not care? Another narrow minded comments tarring everyone with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So what you are appearing to say is some greyhound people do care, while there are many greyhound people that don't. Isn't that what I said when I wrote? "Of course some people care" tomlinks pay attention please. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -34

3:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Greyhoundlover wrote:
tomlinks wrote:
Greyhoundlover wrote:
Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death.
Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen
How can you say that people who take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days a year do not care?

Another narrow minded comments tarring everyone with the same brush.
So what you are appearing to say is some greyhound people do care, while there are many greyhound people that don't. Isn't that what I said when I wrote? "Of course some people care"

tomlinks pay attention please.
" the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound"

You've said the majority of people making a living from greyhound racing care very little - Correct?

How in any way does my statement say that " is some greyhound people do care, while there are many greyhound people that don't" ?

My statement says that greyhound trainers (people making a living from the sport whowho take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days) DO CARE
[quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: Greyhound Racing prides itself on its love of the sport, but very rarely states it is its love for the greyhound that is close to their heart... There I’m afraid is the crux of the matter, they don’t care for the actual animal that makes it all possible, just the racing... Of course some people care, but the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound. A kennel full of invalids, non-triers and old greyhounds do not have their place in a racing kennel, so must be disposed of by whatever means is possible to enable trainer and owner to carry on their conveyor belt of almost certain canine premature death. Greyhound racing has had its day on the backs of so many dead and disappeared greyhounds, so no more can we turn a blind eye to the Greyhound Industry’s killing fields. Amen[/p][/quote]How can you say that people who take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days a year do not care? Another narrow minded comments tarring everyone with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So what you are appearing to say is some greyhound people do care, while there are many greyhound people that don't. Isn't that what I said when I wrote? "Of course some people care" tomlinks pay attention please.[/p][/quote]" the majority of those who make their living through the industry care very little for the greyhound" You've said the majority of people making a living from greyhound racing care very little - Correct? How in any way does my statement say that " is some greyhound people do care, while there are many greyhound people that don't" ? My statement says that greyhound trainers (people making a living from the sport whowho take care of the dogs every day, clean up after them, exercise them, feed them, provide shelter from them 365 days) DO CARE tomlinks
  • Score: 33

3:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

Filedwalker, as you're here and in case you missed it, I asked you for an example of a football ground that was part of an enabling development but wasn't built. Since this is your killer argument against being involved with Galliard homes it would be useful to see some evidence.

Also, another one for Fieldwalker - where is this "other site in your 'home borough'" that we can build a stadium on?
Filedwalker, as you're here and in case you missed it, I asked you for an example of a football ground that was part of an enabling development but wasn't built. Since this is your killer argument against being involved with Galliard homes it would be useful to see some evidence. Also, another one for Fieldwalker - where is this "other site in your 'home borough'" that we can build a stadium on? Arthur Morris
  • Score: -25

4:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

field walker wrote:
oh dear "Greyhoundlover
" - youve been reading the anti websites and signed up to their propaganda....? It's a shame you can't do your own reseach..and just believe what is spouted.

1. Of these racing kennels that earn their living out of the industry that you say do not care for hounds, please list any of the racing kennels that you have visited that do not care for their hounds and some examples. As youve said it's the majority you must know many, pls just list the first 5 or so that come to your mind....

2. What is your comment on the numerous racing kennels that have many retired in the kennels until they pass on of old age, both breeding dams, ex champion racers, and other dogs that have served the kennel not just winning champions.?

And what about the racing kennels that have contracts with the Retired Greyhound Trust that do just that..training dog for life after racing, checking out homes and suitability, being there for return of dog if the 1st rehoming does not work out..and will rehome subsequently...and those greyhounds come back to the kennel to be pampered for a week or two when their new owners are unable to take them on holiday with them......the trainers get paid for rehoming by RGT Charity..some of these 90 odd branches around the country rehome into 3 figures dogs per annum..so how can you say there is no place for them in the kennel?
I could answer your points but it would be quite pointless, other to say that kennel owners have to take the RGT pound as there is no future in making a pound from greyhound racing.. Their snouts are firmly in the RGT trough using the greyhound to the very end..
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: oh dear "Greyhoundlover " - youve been reading the anti websites and signed up to their propaganda....? It's a shame you can't do your own reseach..and just believe what is spouted. 1. Of these racing kennels that earn their living out of the industry that you say do not care for hounds, please list any of the racing kennels that you have visited that do not care for their hounds and some examples. As youve said it's the majority you must know many, pls just list the first 5 or so that come to your mind.... 2. What is your comment on the numerous racing kennels that have many retired in the kennels until they pass on of old age, both breeding dams, ex champion racers, and other dogs that have served the kennel not just winning champions.? And what about the racing kennels that have contracts with the Retired Greyhound Trust that do just that..training dog for life after racing, checking out homes and suitability, being there for return of dog if the 1st rehoming does not work out..and will rehome subsequently...and those greyhounds come back to the kennel to be pampered for a week or two when their new owners are unable to take them on holiday with them......the trainers get paid for rehoming by RGT Charity..some of these 90 odd branches around the country rehome into 3 figures dogs per annum..so how can you say there is no place for them in the kennel?[/p][/quote]I could answer your points but it would be quite pointless, other to say that kennel owners have to take the RGT pound as there is no future in making a pound from greyhound racing.. Their snouts are firmly in the RGT trough using the greyhound to the very end.. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -32

4:08pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-209
68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home
ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-209 68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home cheshire_womble
  • Score: -29

4:10pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

Greyhoundlover wrote:
field walker wrote:
oh dear "Greyhoundlover

" - youve been reading the anti websites and signed up to their propaganda....? It's a shame you can't do your own reseach..and just believe what is spouted.

1. Of these racing kennels that earn their living out of the industry that you say do not care for hounds, please list any of the racing kennels that you have visited that do not care for their hounds and some examples. As youve said it's the majority you must know many, pls just list the first 5 or so that come to your mind....

2. What is your comment on the numerous racing kennels that have many retired in the kennels until they pass on of old age, both breeding dams, ex champion racers, and other dogs that have served the kennel not just winning champions.?

And what about the racing kennels that have contracts with the Retired Greyhound Trust that do just that..training dog for life after racing, checking out homes and suitability, being there for return of dog if the 1st rehoming does not work out..and will rehome subsequently...and those greyhounds come back to the kennel to be pampered for a week or two when their new owners are unable to take them on holiday with them......the trainers get paid for rehoming by RGT Charity..some of these 90 odd branches around the country rehome into 3 figures dogs per annum..so how can you say there is no place for them in the kennel?
I could answer your points but it would be quite pointless, other to say that kennel owners have to take the RGT pound as there is no future in making a pound from greyhound racing.. Their snouts are firmly in the RGT trough using the greyhound to the very end..
In other words, I wont answer your comments as I cannot provide fact as the answers.

Thought so.
[quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: oh dear "Greyhoundlover " - youve been reading the anti websites and signed up to their propaganda....? It's a shame you can't do your own reseach..and just believe what is spouted. 1. Of these racing kennels that earn their living out of the industry that you say do not care for hounds, please list any of the racing kennels that you have visited that do not care for their hounds and some examples. As youve said it's the majority you must know many, pls just list the first 5 or so that come to your mind.... 2. What is your comment on the numerous racing kennels that have many retired in the kennels until they pass on of old age, both breeding dams, ex champion racers, and other dogs that have served the kennel not just winning champions.? And what about the racing kennels that have contracts with the Retired Greyhound Trust that do just that..training dog for life after racing, checking out homes and suitability, being there for return of dog if the 1st rehoming does not work out..and will rehome subsequently...and those greyhounds come back to the kennel to be pampered for a week or two when their new owners are unable to take them on holiday with them......the trainers get paid for rehoming by RGT Charity..some of these 90 odd branches around the country rehome into 3 figures dogs per annum..so how can you say there is no place for them in the kennel?[/p][/quote]I could answer your points but it would be quite pointless, other to say that kennel owners have to take the RGT pound as there is no future in making a pound from greyhound racing.. Their snouts are firmly in the RGT trough using the greyhound to the very end..[/p][/quote]In other words, I wont answer your comments as I cannot provide fact as the answers. Thought so. tomlinks
  • Score: 30

4:12pm Wed 19 Feb 14

tomlinks says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-209

68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home
If you could make a huge lump sump of money for the land which you would have not paid anywhere near the asking price for, walk away with the money and have no more ties would you not?

Its called business.
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-209 68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home[/p][/quote]If you could make a huge lump sump of money for the land which you would have not paid anywhere near the asking price for, walk away with the money and have no more ties would you not? Its called business. tomlinks
  • Score: 25

4:41pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

tomlink - many football stadiums came under property developers spotlights, certainly from 80's onwards, unlike greyhound racing football is not a dying sport, football went through a decline, but has been resurgent in the last 15-20 years, a lot of clubs had to move to new stadium, other redeveloped to comply with safety regulations that came in. how many league clubs have gone to the wall in the last 30 years? aldershot, newport, maidstone, all of whom reformed, because the inter est was there, if there was so much interest in greyhound racing, then why arent people coming forward to build new stadiums? because its not viable, to try and keep wimbledon is 1 last desperate roll of tthe dice. if greyhound stadia were profitable, then surely property developers/land owners would look at that, and charge rent. in 2007 wimbledon had 158 days of greyhound racing, averaging 1200 people, in 2012 they had lost a third of the meetings, they hosted 109, and the average has dropped aswell by 200 per meeting, 189,000 in 2007, to 109 in 2012, wheres the viability in that. so yes you have lost stadia to property developers, but the interest is dwindling, so lets get the wimbledon stadium back to its original use, football
tomlink - many football stadiums came under property developers spotlights, certainly from 80's onwards, unlike greyhound racing football is not a dying sport, football went through a decline, but has been resurgent in the last 15-20 years, a lot of clubs had to move to new stadium, other redeveloped to comply with safety regulations that came in. how many league clubs have gone to the wall in the last 30 years? aldershot, newport, maidstone, all of whom reformed, because the inter est was there, if there was so much interest in greyhound racing, then why arent people coming forward to build new stadiums? because its not viable, to try and keep wimbledon is 1 last desperate roll of tthe dice. if greyhound stadia were profitable, then surely property developers/land owners would look at that, and charge rent. in 2007 wimbledon had 158 days of greyhound racing, averaging 1200 people, in 2012 they had lost a third of the meetings, they hosted 109, and the average has dropped aswell by 200 per meeting, 189,000 in 2007, to 109 in 2012, wheres the viability in that. so yes you have lost stadia to property developers, but the interest is dwindling, so lets get the wimbledon stadium back to its original use, football cheshire_womble
  • Score: -29

4:46pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

A M - the Colliers report of 2009 final report said there were 3 sites. So Galliard homes have made overtures... I am not aware of other football stadiums where they had to e.g s106 or euaivalent and not been done but there's plenty of examples of large property developments where the end game was not anywhere near what the starting plans looked like.

Dont get me wrong I'd be delighted if AFC returned to Merton, but why should the last track in London close to make way, when there are at least 2 other sites that were listed as possible?
A M - the Colliers report of 2009 final report said there were 3 sites. So Galliard homes have made overtures... I am not aware of other football stadiums where they had to e.g s106 or euaivalent and not been done but there's plenty of examples of large property developments where the end game was not anywhere near what the starting plans looked like. Dont get me wrong I'd be delighted if AFC returned to Merton, but why should the last track in London close to make way, when there are at least 2 other sites that were listed as possible? field walker
  • Score: 23

4:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Merton Parka says...

A few corrections from other posts:

AFCW average attendance this season is 4200 and they took 2000 supporters to an away league game this weekend.

Flood Plains – I am not a surveyor and doubt “Field Walker” is either but it is a non-argument as it affects both plans and both plans involve building xxx number of flats.

As I said earlier, all documents on Merton’s website to make an informed decision BUT I feel the doggers’ plans are not transparent as one moment they say the dogs will only attract 2000 people so minimum disruption to residents whereas AFCW are planning a stadium 22,000. Then the next interview they say that it will be up to 6000 people watching dogs whereas AFCW only attract small crowds.

One Question: If there was ONLY room for a GH stadium and not the 100’s of flats in the bouyant SW London property market would Taggart still be interested?
A few corrections from other posts: AFCW average attendance this season is 4200 and they took 2000 supporters to an away league game this weekend. Flood Plains – I am not a surveyor and doubt “Field Walker” is either but it is a non-argument as it affects both plans and both plans involve building xxx number of flats. As I said earlier, all documents on Merton’s website to make an informed decision BUT I feel the doggers’ plans are not transparent as one moment they say the dogs will only attract 2000 people so minimum disruption to residents whereas AFCW are planning a stadium 22,000. Then the next interview they say that it will be up to 6000 people watching dogs whereas AFCW only attract small crowds. One Question: If there was ONLY room for a GH stadium and not the 100’s of flats in the bouyant SW London property market would Taggart still be interested? Merton Parka
  • Score: -29

4:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

womble, cant you read? the place has not been invested in at all, because they want to build houses...perhaps youb dont know the history of the lead owner since 2005 Greyhound Racing Association - look it up on google - see what they have done to their tracks. It's only in last 2 years its become apparent Galliard has had a share of ownership for some years

More than half of the capacity has been shut down since the time you are quoting figures. Ask someone who goes on a Saturday night and see what interest there is in the place even with poor facilities
womble, cant you read? the place has not been invested in at all, because they want to build houses...perhaps youb dont know the history of the lead owner since 2005 Greyhound Racing Association - look it up on google - see what they have done to their tracks. It's only in last 2 years its become apparent Galliard has had a share of ownership for some years More than half of the capacity has been shut down since the time you are quoting figures. Ask someone who goes on a Saturday night and see what interest there is in the place even with poor facilities field walker
  • Score: 29

5:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

not sure what latest flood info is but I remember it being Council reported that it lies in a 1 in 100 year flood risk and partially in 1 in 20 year flood risk

I am not sure of the design plans of Galliards but Id expect as property developer they woud want more property on the site than the dog plans..

plenty of football stadia are purchased with plans for property alongside, I doubt P Taggary would do it without as it would not be viable...the same as a League 2 stadium with a few thousand home attendance in SW London, built alone would unlikely be viable
not sure what latest flood info is but I remember it being Council reported that it lies in a 1 in 100 year flood risk and partially in 1 in 20 year flood risk I am not sure of the design plans of Galliards but Id expect as property developer they woud want more property on the site than the dog plans.. plenty of football stadia are purchased with plans for property alongside, I doubt P Taggary would do it without as it would not be viable...the same as a League 2 stadium with a few thousand home attendance in SW London, built alone would unlikely be viable field walker
  • Score: -13

5:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ragwort says...

field walker wrote:
ragwort..."dead
ly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell
No field walker...but what there is, is six dogs hurtling there and crashing into each other at tremendous speed often resulting in horrific injury. So, if a dog that is worth say £300...who will pay to get a broken hock or leg fixed? No..the dog is then not worth the vets fee. What would be the point of treating such an injury if the dog is not exceptional and worth breeding from? There is a long waiting list for homes as it is for dogs that are lucky enough to reach retirement age. So, don't try and tell me about welfare....
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: ragwort..."dead ly first bend" are there snipers staking out the first bend, or poisonous sandsnakes? Or lorries thundering across the track mowing dogs down? Pls do tell[/p][/quote]No field walker...but what there is, is six dogs hurtling there and crashing into each other at tremendous speed often resulting in horrific injury. So, if a dog that is worth say £300...who will pay to get a broken hock or leg fixed? No..the dog is then not worth the vets fee. What would be the point of treating such an injury if the dog is not exceptional and worth breeding from? There is a long waiting list for homes as it is for dogs that are lucky enough to reach retirement age. So, don't try and tell me about welfare.... ragwort
  • Score: -37

5:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

grey4dk says...

I can´t for the life of me understand why a track that has been closed down should be reopned as before. The configuration of the traditional round or oval tracks kills greyhounds every week the bends are too short the sand they greyhounds run in is not good enough they suffer from constant microfractures because the layer of sand is too hard for their delicate frames to endure long term.The welfare of the greyhounds is the same as a few years back which means that no improvements have been made for the greyhounds now all this just adds to the abuse of these nobel sighthounds. I for one love greyhounds but do not agree with putting their life and health at risk to win a few pounds greyhounds should be aforded the same protection as other dogs.This has not happend which I think is futher proof of the lack of concern for the greyhounds themselves. The option is to make money out of the greyhounds who are not afforded the best of care despite them being called top athletes so I think it should be a resounding no to the reopening of the tracks that have been closed down . The land can be used for better purposes than the abuse of greyhounds such as housing recreational facilities for everyone to enjoy.Greyhound racing is not a sport but simpel exploitation of the greyhounds. To those who say the greyhounds love racing well it can be questioned how would anyone like to be holled up in a minute space without anything to do at all only let out a few times a week when convinient for the trainers and owners then when raced they are put into the traps things are going on every where no wonder they run it is the only stimuli they get they chase the mechanical lure because of their high preydrive and lack of activity anyone with a bit of knowledge knows that well stimulated greyhounds love a good run of leash in a fenced in paddoc at their own pace when not forced to race. They love the company of their people and of other greyhounds they also love to live the good life just as people do so why not give them that instead of inadequet kennels with no comforts and no stimuli and above all else no kindness and concern for any of them. Not all owners and trainers are bad but they still risk the lives of the greyhounds every time they put them on the track. I think the greyhounds deserve better don´t you?
I can´t for the life of me understand why a track that has been closed down should be reopned as before. The configuration of the traditional round or oval tracks kills greyhounds every week the bends are too short the sand they greyhounds run in is not good enough they suffer from constant microfractures because the layer of sand is too hard for their delicate frames to endure long term.The welfare of the greyhounds is the same as a few years back which means that no improvements have been made for the greyhounds now all this just adds to the abuse of these nobel sighthounds. I for one love greyhounds but do not agree with putting their life and health at risk to win a few pounds greyhounds should be aforded the same protection as other dogs.This has not happend which I think is futher proof of the lack of concern for the greyhounds themselves. The option is to make money out of the greyhounds who are not afforded the best of care despite them being called top athletes so I think it should be a resounding no to the reopening of the tracks that have been closed down . The land can be used for better purposes than the abuse of greyhounds such as housing recreational facilities for everyone to enjoy.Greyhound racing is not a sport but simpel exploitation of the greyhounds. To those who say the greyhounds love racing well it can be questioned how would anyone like to be holled up in a minute space without anything to do at all only let out a few times a week when convinient for the trainers and owners then when raced they are put into the traps things are going on every where no wonder they run it is the only stimuli they get they chase the mechanical lure because of their high preydrive and lack of activity anyone with a bit of knowledge knows that well stimulated greyhounds love a good run of leash in a fenced in paddoc at their own pace when not forced to race. They love the company of their people and of other greyhounds they also love to live the good life just as people do so why not give them that instead of inadequet kennels with no comforts and no stimuli and above all else no kindness and concern for any of them. Not all owners and trainers are bad but they still risk the lives of the greyhounds every time they put them on the track. I think the greyhounds deserve better don´t you? grey4dk
  • Score: -34

5:08pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ragwort says...

field walker wrote:
At least one senior vet was at the gathering, this was arranged by the sports governing body in advance
And this would be Simon Gower? the same person who worked alongside a 'fraud' posing as a qualified vet at a racing track? Credibility?...don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: At least one senior vet was at the gathering, this was arranged by the sports governing body in advance[/p][/quote]And this would be Simon Gower? the same person who worked alongside a 'fraud' posing as a qualified vet at a racing track? Credibility?...don't think so. ragwort
  • Score: -27

5:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

Thanks for answering Fieldwalker.

If you're taking it from Colliers' report then the other two sites were Morden Underground Depot and Merton Industrial Estate. They were identified as the best *locations* but neither of those are on the market, nor likely to be. They were actually taken from an original list of 19, so the club has researched this thoroughly.

But I'll turn this round and ask you why the greyhound track has to stay where it is. The current stadium will be demolished, whichever proposal wins through. If Taggart and his mystery consortium are actually concerned with dog racing above all else then the actual location doesn't matter does it?

What is it that actually matters about *Wimbledon* that means it has to be the site of a prestige dog track? OK, racing since 1928, but we did actually play on that land before the dogs were there if you want to get into that.

Sure plenty of local people have been to the dogs over the years, including me, but it doesn't have any real implantation and loyalty in the local area. By contrast the football club's work in the community, and ownership model whereby it is owned collectively by thousands of local people, is what regeneration is all about. For all the charity nights you put on, that doesn't begin to compare with what AFCW does with local groups and youngsters.

If the aim is to get a flagship dog track for London then there are plenty of better places to site it for the national and international travel which we hear so much about. But not all of those will be in an area where lots of money can be made from housing developments will they? Especially land for which he can effectively name his price if dog racing is the only allowed sporting activity. Taggart's bid is as much about making money from a prime site as Galliard's is.
Thanks for answering Fieldwalker. If you're taking it from Colliers' report then the other two sites were Morden Underground Depot and Merton Industrial Estate. They were identified as the best *locations* but neither of those are on the market, nor likely to be. They were actually taken from an original list of 19, so the club has researched this thoroughly. But I'll turn this round and ask you why the greyhound track has to stay where it is. The current stadium will be demolished, whichever proposal wins through. If Taggart and his mystery consortium are actually concerned with dog racing above all else then the actual location doesn't matter does it? What is it that actually matters about *Wimbledon* that means it has to be the site of a prestige dog track? OK, racing since 1928, but we did actually play on that land before the dogs were there if you want to get into that. Sure plenty of local people have been to the dogs over the years, including me, but it doesn't have any real implantation and loyalty in the local area. By contrast the football club's work in the community, and ownership model whereby it is owned collectively by thousands of local people, is what regeneration is all about. For all the charity nights you put on, that doesn't begin to compare with what AFCW does with local groups and youngsters. If the aim is to get a flagship dog track for London then there are plenty of better places to site it for the national and international travel which we hear so much about. But not all of those will be in an area where lots of money can be made from housing developments will they? Especially land for which he can effectively name his price if dog racing is the only allowed sporting activity. Taggart's bid is as much about making money from a prime site as Galliard's is. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -26

5:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

the above 2 posts confirm that the anti protestors dont understand the position, ragwort it seems you dont know much about the industry because only a minute % are used for breeding and vast majority of owners would pay for a £500 operation if required without thinkimng about it.

grey4dk thinks greyhounds are enclosed in "minute" small enclosure 24/7...but clearly is not aware of the kennel size regulations...the new builds regulations cost c£6k for spacious safe kennels

I suggest you both go to a UK racing kennel and see the dogs in paddocks...

The other misconception you all seem to have is that people and owners in sport only care about money. 95% of owners dont look for profit or make profit from the sport...they are involved as it is their hobby and the enjoy it.

I can understand being against bull fighting which I witnessed when I lived in Spain and disliked, perhaps the anti should focus on that rather than put up vacuous arguments
the above 2 posts confirm that the anti protestors dont understand the position, ragwort it seems you dont know much about the industry because only a minute % are used for breeding and vast majority of owners would pay for a £500 operation if required without thinkimng about it. grey4dk thinks greyhounds are enclosed in "minute" small enclosure 24/7...but clearly is not aware of the kennel size regulations...the new builds regulations cost c£6k for spacious safe kennels I suggest you both go to a UK racing kennel and see the dogs in paddocks... The other misconception you all seem to have is that people and owners in sport only care about money. 95% of owners dont look for profit or make profit from the sport...they are involved as it is their hobby and the enjoy it. I can understand being against bull fighting which I witnessed when I lived in Spain and disliked, perhaps the anti should focus on that rather than put up vacuous arguments field walker
  • Score: 30

5:16pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

was talking ragwort and grey4kday
was talking ragwort and grey4kday field walker
  • Score: 13

5:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

blenki1 says...

you all have opinions which will not change by what anyone else says, however when the football stadium used to be in plough lane how many went to see them, capacity was 19000 never full.
It wasn't seen as worthwhile to spend money on after the Taylor report on all seated stadiums.
Wimbledon didn't give a toss about fans then and put finance first to make money from selling ground.
Galliard are using AFC to try and get planning that's all they couldn't care less about a FOURTH tier football team and neither could locals living in old ground flats.
Has anyone given thought to car dealerships along the way I am sure they cant wait for 100s of footy yobs fighting around the cars on sale.
Not to mention a major hospital root for ST GEORGES.
Like most game that AFC play they will lose this fight I am sure.
you all have opinions which will not change by what anyone else says, however when the football stadium used to be in plough lane how many went to see them, capacity was 19000 never full. It wasn't seen as worthwhile to spend money on after the Taylor report on all seated stadiums. Wimbledon didn't give a toss about fans then and put finance first to make money from selling ground. Galliard are using AFC to try and get planning that's all they couldn't care less about a FOURTH tier football team and neither could locals living in old ground flats. Has anyone given thought to car dealerships along the way I am sure they cant wait for 100s of footy yobs fighting around the cars on sale. Not to mention a major hospital root for ST GEORGES. Like most game that AFC play they will lose this fight I am sure. blenki1
  • Score: 23

5:19pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

May I just thank the racing fraternity for the pleasure they have given me today reading their posts. Admittedly, much of the content is (understandably so) either misleading or simply inaccurate, but what came across above anything is the sheer terror among the fraternity at the possibility of losing the last remaining track in London. The pro-racing community are all very aware it would be the beginning of the end for greyhound racing in Britain, and as someone who recognises greyhounds not as machines but as sentient beings that feel pain, and sense fear and crave affection, just as we do, the day greyhound racing is confined to history books cannot come soon enough.
May I just thank the racing fraternity for the pleasure they have given me today reading their posts. Admittedly, much of the content is (understandably so) either misleading or simply inaccurate, but what came across above anything is the sheer terror among the fraternity at the possibility of losing the last remaining track in London. The pro-racing community are all very aware it would be the beginning of the end for greyhound racing in Britain, and as someone who recognises greyhounds not as machines but as sentient beings that feel pain, and sense fear and crave affection, just as we do, the day greyhound racing is confined to history books cannot come soon enough. Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -30

5:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

co2 says...

blenki1 wrote:
you all have opinions which will not change by what anyone else says, however when the football stadium used to be in plough lane how many went to see them, capacity was 19000 never full. It wasn't seen as worthwhile to spend money on after the Taylor report on all seated stadiums. Wimbledon didn't give a toss about fans then and put finance first to make money from selling ground. Galliard are using AFC to try and get planning that's all they couldn't care less about a FOURTH tier football team and neither could locals living in old ground flats. Has anyone given thought to car dealerships along the way I am sure they cant wait for 100s of footy yobs fighting around the cars on sale. Not to mention a major hospital root for ST GEORGES. Like most game that AFC play they will lose this fight I am sure.
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[quote][p][bold]blenki1[/bold] wrote: you all have opinions which will not change by what anyone else says, however when the football stadium used to be in plough lane how many went to see them, capacity was 19000 never full. It wasn't seen as worthwhile to spend money on after the Taylor report on all seated stadiums. Wimbledon didn't give a toss about fans then and put finance first to make money from selling ground. Galliard are using AFC to try and get planning that's all they couldn't care less about a FOURTH tier football team and neither could locals living in old ground flats. Has anyone given thought to car dealerships along the way I am sure they cant wait for 100s of footy yobs fighting around the cars on sale. Not to mention a major hospital root for ST GEORGES. Like most game that AFC play they will lose this fight I am sure.[/p][/quote]LOWEST EVER PREMIERSHIP ATTENDANCE wimbledon 3039 The lowest ever attendance in the Premiership happened in its first season, on 26th January 1993 when a crowd of just 3,039 watched Everton beat Wimbledon 3-1 at Selhurst Park. This was the lowest top flight attendance since the Second World War. Even big names in the Everton side such as Tony Cottee, Martin Keown and Peter Beardsley could not attract the crowds Read more http://www.kgbanswer s.co.uk/lowest-ever- premiership-attendan ce/3345406#ixzz2tn1L Qb4z co2
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5:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

blenki1 says...

must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community.
Has anybody actually thought why not do both?
Then everyone wins :)
must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community. Has anybody actually thought why not do both? Then everyone wins :) blenki1
  • Score: 20

5:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

the site does have emotional attachment the same way football fans have emotional attachment. the fact that the club died/split up whatever and moved out of the borough is not greyhound racing fault, why should they be made to leave to house another sport, and one that will bring less people. that Wdon played there 86 years+ ago doesnt really count

As last site in London perhaps too much is being made of this, but greyhound racing want to have a base in the most populous wealthiest city in Europe...the dynamcis of the site mean that funding would be available with property included to build/finance a site there...if you can find another site in London where this can be done for dog racing and there is a willing developer Im sure that would be considered.

Im not sure about your transparency comments....rarely are all parties known at outset of a big project....Galliards have not excactly been transparent at disclosing their involvement in the site until recently
the site does have emotional attachment the same way football fans have emotional attachment. the fact that the club died/split up whatever and moved out of the borough is not greyhound racing fault, why should they be made to leave to house another sport, and one that will bring less people. that Wdon played there 86 years+ ago doesnt really count As last site in London perhaps too much is being made of this, but greyhound racing want to have a base in the most populous wealthiest city in Europe...the dynamcis of the site mean that funding would be available with property included to build/finance a site there...if you can find another site in London where this can be done for dog racing and there is a willing developer Im sure that would be considered. Im not sure about your transparency comments....rarely are all parties known at outset of a big project....Galliards have not excactly been transparent at disclosing their involvement in the site until recently field walker
  • Score: 22

5:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

co2 wrote:
blenki1 wrote:
you all have opinions which will not change by what anyone else says, however when the football stadium used to be in plough lane how many went to see them, capacity was 19000 never full. It wasn't seen as worthwhile to spend money on after the Taylor report on all seated stadiums. Wimbledon didn't give a toss about fans then and put finance first to make money from selling ground. Galliard are using AFC to try and get planning that's all they couldn't care less about a FOURTH tier football team and neither could locals living in old ground flats. Has anyone given thought to car dealerships along the way I am sure they cant wait for 100s of footy yobs fighting around the cars on sale. Not to mention a major hospital root for ST GEORGES. Like most game that AFC play they will lose this fight I am sure.
LOWEST EVER PREMIERSHIP ATTENDANCE wimbledon 3039


The lowest ever attendance in the Premiership happened in its first season, on 26th January 1993 when a crowd of just 3,039 watched Everton beat Wimbledon 3-1 at Selhurst Park. This was the lowest top flight attendance since the Second World War. Even big names in the Everton side such as Tony Cottee, Martin Keown and Peter Beardsley could not attract the crowds

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Make up your mind. Either there'll be nobody there or there'll be hundreds of fans fighting amongst the cars!

What on earth have attendances in the 1980s and 1990s got to do with anything? All that matters is the 4,209 average attendance this season playing outside of the borough in a ground where you can hardly see the game!

And to compare the grasping owner (singular) of the club in the 1990s with the thousands of owners (plural) now, who have shown an unprecedented level of organisation and community spirit to rebuild a club from scratch against all the odds, suggests you don't actually have any kind of clue at all.
[quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blenki1[/bold] wrote: you all have opinions which will not change by what anyone else says, however when the football stadium used to be in plough lane how many went to see them, capacity was 19000 never full. It wasn't seen as worthwhile to spend money on after the Taylor report on all seated stadiums. Wimbledon didn't give a toss about fans then and put finance first to make money from selling ground. Galliard are using AFC to try and get planning that's all they couldn't care less about a FOURTH tier football team and neither could locals living in old ground flats. Has anyone given thought to car dealerships along the way I am sure they cant wait for 100s of footy yobs fighting around the cars on sale. Not to mention a major hospital root for ST GEORGES. Like most game that AFC play they will lose this fight I am sure.[/p][/quote]LOWEST EVER PREMIERSHIP ATTENDANCE wimbledon 3039 The lowest ever attendance in the Premiership happened in its first season, on 26th January 1993 when a crowd of just 3,039 watched Everton beat Wimbledon 3-1 at Selhurst Park. This was the lowest top flight attendance since the Second World War. Even big names in the Everton side such as Tony Cottee, Martin Keown and Peter Beardsley could not attract the crowds Read more http://www.kgbanswer s.co.uk/lowest-ever- premiership-attendan ce/3345406#ixzz2tn1L Qb4z[/p][/quote]Make up your mind. Either there'll be nobody there or there'll be hundreds of fans fighting amongst the cars! What on earth have attendances in the 1980s and 1990s got to do with anything? All that matters is the 4,209 average attendance this season playing outside of the borough in a ground where you can hardly see the game! And to compare the grasping owner (singular) of the club in the 1990s with the thousands of owners (plural) now, who have shown an unprecedented level of organisation and community spirit to rebuild a club from scratch against all the odds, suggests you don't actually have any kind of clue at all. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -22

5:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

If AFC and dogs could share and whatever ancillary property was incuded to finance the project that would be fantastic. I understand AFC wanting to go 'home' and would support that, but not at expense of dog stadium,

What I dont understand is the continued misrepresentation and uncomprehending comments from people that purport to love greyhounds but it would appear that, prima facie, they know very little about them, the industry and are led by their leaders based on misinformation
If AFC and dogs could share and whatever ancillary property was incuded to finance the project that would be fantastic. I understand AFC wanting to go 'home' and would support that, but not at expense of dog stadium, What I dont understand is the continued misrepresentation and uncomprehending comments from people that purport to love greyhounds but it would appear that, prima facie, they know very little about them, the industry and are led by their leaders based on misinformation field walker
  • Score: 21

6:00pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

field walker - but a football stadium WILL attract more people than greyhound racing - greyhound racing has declining gates - 109,000 in 2012, afc wimbledon currently average 4300 (*23 =98900) - 10,000 less at the moment, now our current stadium is at capacity, it about 3 miles from wimbledon, offers poor views, its cramped, and that puts people off, if we get new plough lane, we would average at least 5500 (*23 = 126,000), we are also limited in the number of away fans that can attend, ie portsmouth and oxford wanted more than the 7-800 we gave them, our gates would be higher if we had the capacity, the greyhounds have capacity, and the gates are decreasing qed
field walker - but a football stadium WILL attract more people than greyhound racing - greyhound racing has declining gates - 109,000 in 2012, afc wimbledon currently average 4300 (*23 =98900) - 10,000 less at the moment, now our current stadium is at capacity, it about 3 miles from wimbledon, offers poor views, its cramped, and that puts people off, if we get new plough lane, we would average at least 5500 (*23 = 126,000), we are also limited in the number of away fans that can attend, ie portsmouth and oxford wanted more than the 7-800 we gave them, our gates would be higher if we had the capacity, the greyhounds have capacity, and the gates are decreasing qed cheshire_womble
  • Score: -22

6:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Merton Parka says...

Look at the research and effort AFCW have painstakingly carried out. They have been extremely professional and consistent whereas the dog lot seem to change their argument to suit who they are speaking to.

If it’s London which is important for the dogs (that’s where the property boom is) I think Mr Taggart should write to every London council and see what land could be available for a track (and flats). With the large Irish community in Kilburn, perhaps that could be an option.
Look at the research and effort AFCW have painstakingly carried out. They have been extremely professional and consistent whereas the dog lot seem to change their argument to suit who they are speaking to. If it’s London which is important for the dogs (that’s where the property boom is) I think Mr Taggart should write to every London council and see what land could be available for a track (and flats). With the large Irish community in Kilburn, perhaps that could be an option. Merton Parka
  • Score: -21

6:24pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Cheshire - yes you'd increase, but the current rundown stadium has onlt 40% capacity open to stand sit in... more dog people would attend plush stadium, most definitely if restuarant facilities are improved, which would not be difficult...

Merton - I dont see why AFC has any more right to be in Merton than the dog site has to be on its current site that has been there 86 years, do you? Why doesnt AFC find another stadium site, one of a size that suits their requirements?

Not many Irish folk live in Kilburn now, moderately moved up market with gastro pubs etc. More Arabs live in Kilburn than Irish...Aran community extended up the Edgware Road from central London Marble Arch moving ouwards..
Cheshire - yes you'd increase, but the current rundown stadium has onlt 40% capacity open to stand sit in... more dog people would attend plush stadium, most definitely if restuarant facilities are improved, which would not be difficult... Merton - I dont see why AFC has any more right to be in Merton than the dog site has to be on its current site that has been there 86 years, do you? Why doesnt AFC find another stadium site, one of a size that suits their requirements? Not many Irish folk live in Kilburn now, moderately moved up market with gastro pubs etc. More Arabs live in Kilburn than Irish...Aran community extended up the Edgware Road from central London Marble Arch moving ouwards.. field walker
  • Score: 18

6:36pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

Have to say I am no fan of football but would rather watch that than watch greyhounds being seriously injured, all in the name of entertainment. Below is just a few of the hundreds of greyhounds to lose their life as a result of injury on British tracks every year. Truly sickening.

Rooneys Lad, bk d, June 2010 - Feb. 2012 / Knockdrinna West, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2011 / Rotar Wing, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2011 / Droopys Yankee, dk bd d, July 2009 - Apr. 2011 / Illpayyoulater, bk d, Sep. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Finlays Meadows, bd d, Oct. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Cheeky Court, bk b, July 2008 - Feb. 2011 / Melted Fall, bk d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2011 / Chase Me Chloe, bk w b, July 2008 - Oct. 2010 / Macbally Linsay, bk b, Mar. 2008 - Sep. 2010 / Isle of Tara, bk b, Mar. 2006 - Sep. 2010 / Ballyverry Rock, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2010 / Tyrur Leonard, f d, May 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Sliding Bog, f b, Sep. 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Clubbing Night, bk w d, Sep. 2006 - Aug. 2010 / Daytwo, f d, Oct. 2004 - July 2010 / Wots Er Name, be w b, Mar. 2008 - July 2010 / Lakewood Lass, bk w b, Oct. 2008 - July 2010 / Swift Abel, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2010 / Rackethall Kenny, w bk d, Jan. 2008 - July 2010 / Townbrow Sioux, w be b, Dec. 2006 - July 2010 / Highview Pilot, f d, Feb. 2008 - June 2010 / Brizzle Bling, bk b, Mar. 2008 - June 2010 / Ballybride Rover, bk w d, Aug. 2007 - June 2010 / Nervous Basil, bk d, June 2008 - May 2010 / Astrikersfantasy, be b, Jan. 2007 - Apr. 2010 / Killough Boss, w bk d, Oct. 2007 - Mar. 2010 / Afflecks Palace, w bk d, May 2008 - Mar. 2010 / Rebeccas Hustler, w bd b, Apr. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Fida Cascada, w bk d, Mar. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Malbay Katie, be b, June 2003 - Jan. 2010 / Skywalker Brenda, bk b, Jan. 2008 - Jan. 2010 / Gulleen Star, bk d, Aug. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Glenske Sky, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Jan. 2010 / Ardera Express, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Jan. 2010 / Kilkeedy Blue, be d, Jan. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Loughmore Boy, bk d, Dec. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Time Cracker, bk b, July 2006 - Nov. 2009 / Oklahoma Trail, bd b, Feb. 2005 - Oct. 2009 / Barra Snowstorm, w bk d, Mar. 2007 - Oct. 2009 / Rookies Fantasy, bk d, May 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Obligation, bk d, Jan. 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Aintsheapeach, be bd b, July 2005 - Sep. 2009 / Mistress Quickly, bk b, Dec. 2006 - July 2009 / Mi Starr, bk d, Oct. 2005 - June 2009 / Fortune John, bk w d, Jan. 2006 - June 2009 / Balreask Touch, be d, Aug. 2005 - June 2009 / Dawn Sunset, bk b, Sep. 2005 - June 2009 / Liam Maldini, bk d, July 2006 - May 2009 / Whinge Bag, be b, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Blue Fern, be d, Dec. 2005 - May 2009 / Happy Hawk, bk d, Apr. 2006 - May 2009 / Benlass Panther, bk d, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Princess Rocket, bk w b, May 2007 - May 2009 / Westway Pride, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2009 / Ballymac Mondo, be d, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Upalongway, bk b, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Coran Singer, be b, June 2005 - Apr. 2009 / Maglass Legend, bk w d, Aug. 2004 - Apr. 2009 / Dainty Express, f d, Oct. 2006 - Mar. 2009 / On The Level, w bd d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2009 / Swift Aqua, be w b, Dec. 2005 - Jan. 2009 / Rathtooterny Zip, bk b, Oct. 2005 - Dec. 2008 / Kelsco Girl, bk b, Mar. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Anduin, be d, Oct. 2006 - Nov. 2008 / Emerson Catkin, bk b, Sep. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Daves Dasher, dk bd d, Aug. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Townbrow Mentor, bd d, Dec. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Bluestone Lane, be d, Apr. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Hanoi Son, bk d, May 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Glandore Queen, f w b, Sep. 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Frisby Foreman, f d, Oct. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Corrig Cinders, w be b, Dec. 2005 - Sep. 2008 / Killeacle Rose, be w b, July 2005 – Aug. 2008 / Pigalle Rainbow, bk b, Dec. 2004 - Aug. 2008 / Daltons Lass, bk b, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Glaseen Vieri, bk d, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Hes A Cheetah, w bd d, Oct. 2003 - July 2008 / Work Of Art, w f d, Feb. 2006 - July 2008 / Mail Madness, w bk d, Dec. 2004 - July 2008 / Will He Rumble, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2008 / Hillend Lad, be w d, Sep. 2005 - Apr. 2008 / Sarahs Storm, bd w d, Jan. 2006 - Mar. 2008 / Anns Wood, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Carbarns Lenny, w bk d, Sep. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Head Iton Leanne, w bk b, June 2006 - Feb. 2008 / Dunmahon Boss, bd d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Saleen Rob, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Hi Polejointer, bk d, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Barfunkel Craic, bk b, Apr. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Run On Jess, bk w b, Mar. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Icecream Charlie, f d, Feb. 2006 - Jan. 2008 / Woody The Tiger, bk d, Dec. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Marathon Girl, bk w b, Aug. 2005 - Jan. 2008 / Disney Trip, bk d, Sep. 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Calm Aero, bk w b, July 2003 - Dec. 2007 / Lou Be Sure, bk w b, June 2004 - Dec. 2007 / South West Flyer, be d, Jan. 2006 - Dec. 2007 / Killeacle Abina, be b, July 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Greenwell Flash, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Oct. 2007 / Driving Up Hasty, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Sep. 2007 / Tolcas Refrain, w bk b, June 2004 - July 2007 / Our Vieri, be d, Aug. 2004 - July 2007 / Dunmurry Queen, bk b, May 2002 - July 2007 / Bozman Ruling, bk d, Dec. 2002 - Nov. 2006 / Banahoe Panther, bk d, Oct. 2002 - July 2006 / Two One Zero, bk d, July 2004 - May 2006
Have to say I am no fan of football but would rather watch that than watch greyhounds being seriously injured, all in the name of entertainment. Below is just a few of the hundreds of greyhounds to lose their life as a result of injury on British tracks every year. Truly sickening. Rooneys Lad, bk d, June 2010 - Feb. 2012 / Knockdrinna West, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2011 / Rotar Wing, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2011 / Droopys Yankee, dk bd d, July 2009 - Apr. 2011 / Illpayyoulater, bk d, Sep. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Finlays Meadows, bd d, Oct. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Cheeky Court, bk b, July 2008 - Feb. 2011 / Melted Fall, bk d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2011 / Chase Me Chloe, bk w b, July 2008 - Oct. 2010 / Macbally Linsay, bk b, Mar. 2008 - Sep. 2010 / Isle of Tara, bk b, Mar. 2006 - Sep. 2010 / Ballyverry Rock, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2010 / Tyrur Leonard, f d, May 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Sliding Bog, f b, Sep. 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Clubbing Night, bk w d, Sep. 2006 - Aug. 2010 / Daytwo, f d, Oct. 2004 - July 2010 / Wots Er Name, be w b, Mar. 2008 - July 2010 / Lakewood Lass, bk w b, Oct. 2008 - July 2010 / Swift Abel, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2010 / Rackethall Kenny, w bk d, Jan. 2008 - July 2010 / Townbrow Sioux, w be b, Dec. 2006 - July 2010 / Highview Pilot, f d, Feb. 2008 - June 2010 / Brizzle Bling, bk b, Mar. 2008 - June 2010 / Ballybride Rover, bk w d, Aug. 2007 - June 2010 / Nervous Basil, bk d, June 2008 - May 2010 / Astrikersfantasy, be b, Jan. 2007 - Apr. 2010 / Killough Boss, w bk d, Oct. 2007 - Mar. 2010 / Afflecks Palace, w bk d, May 2008 - Mar. 2010 / Rebeccas Hustler, w bd b, Apr. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Fida Cascada, w bk d, Mar. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Malbay Katie, be b, June 2003 - Jan. 2010 / Skywalker Brenda, bk b, Jan. 2008 - Jan. 2010 / Gulleen Star, bk d, Aug. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Glenske Sky, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Jan. 2010 / Ardera Express, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Jan. 2010 / Kilkeedy Blue, be d, Jan. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Loughmore Boy, bk d, Dec. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Time Cracker, bk b, July 2006 - Nov. 2009 / Oklahoma Trail, bd b, Feb. 2005 - Oct. 2009 / Barra Snowstorm, w bk d, Mar. 2007 - Oct. 2009 / Rookies Fantasy, bk d, May 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Obligation, bk d, Jan. 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Aintsheapeach, be bd b, July 2005 - Sep. 2009 / Mistress Quickly, bk b, Dec. 2006 - July 2009 / Mi Starr, bk d, Oct. 2005 - June 2009 / Fortune John, bk w d, Jan. 2006 - June 2009 / Balreask Touch, be d, Aug. 2005 - June 2009 / Dawn Sunset, bk b, Sep. 2005 - June 2009 / Liam Maldini, bk d, July 2006 - May 2009 / Whinge Bag, be b, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Blue Fern, be d, Dec. 2005 - May 2009 / Happy Hawk, bk d, Apr. 2006 - May 2009 / Benlass Panther, bk d, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Princess Rocket, bk w b, May 2007 - May 2009 / Westway Pride, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2009 / Ballymac Mondo, be d, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Upalongway, bk b, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Coran Singer, be b, June 2005 - Apr. 2009 / Maglass Legend, bk w d, Aug. 2004 - Apr. 2009 / Dainty Express, f d, Oct. 2006 - Mar. 2009 / On The Level, w bd d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2009 / Swift Aqua, be w b, Dec. 2005 - Jan. 2009 / Rathtooterny Zip, bk b, Oct. 2005 - Dec. 2008 / Kelsco Girl, bk b, Mar. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Anduin, be d, Oct. 2006 - Nov. 2008 / Emerson Catkin, bk b, Sep. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Daves Dasher, dk bd d, Aug. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Townbrow Mentor, bd d, Dec. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Bluestone Lane, be d, Apr. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Hanoi Son, bk d, May 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Glandore Queen, f w b, Sep. 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Frisby Foreman, f d, Oct. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Corrig Cinders, w be b, Dec. 2005 - Sep. 2008 / Killeacle Rose, be w b, July 2005 – Aug. 2008 / Pigalle Rainbow, bk b, Dec. 2004 - Aug. 2008 / Daltons Lass, bk b, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Glaseen Vieri, bk d, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Hes A Cheetah, w bd d, Oct. 2003 - July 2008 / Work Of Art, w f d, Feb. 2006 - July 2008 / Mail Madness, w bk d, Dec. 2004 - July 2008 / Will He Rumble, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2008 / Hillend Lad, be w d, Sep. 2005 - Apr. 2008 / Sarahs Storm, bd w d, Jan. 2006 - Mar. 2008 / Anns Wood, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Carbarns Lenny, w bk d, Sep. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Head Iton Leanne, w bk b, June 2006 - Feb. 2008 / Dunmahon Boss, bd d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Saleen Rob, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Hi Polejointer, bk d, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Barfunkel Craic, bk b, Apr. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Run On Jess, bk w b, Mar. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Icecream Charlie, f d, Feb. 2006 - Jan. 2008 / Woody The Tiger, bk d, Dec. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Marathon Girl, bk w b, Aug. 2005 - Jan. 2008 / Disney Trip, bk d, Sep. 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Calm Aero, bk w b, July 2003 - Dec. 2007 / Lou Be Sure, bk w b, June 2004 - Dec. 2007 / South West Flyer, be d, Jan. 2006 - Dec. 2007 / Killeacle Abina, be b, July 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Greenwell Flash, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Oct. 2007 / Driving Up Hasty, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Sep. 2007 / Tolcas Refrain, w bk b, June 2004 - July 2007 / Our Vieri, be d, Aug. 2004 - July 2007 / Dunmurry Queen, bk b, May 2002 - July 2007 / Bozman Ruling, bk d, Dec. 2002 - Nov. 2006 / Banahoe Panther, bk d, Oct. 2002 - July 2006 / Two One Zero, bk d, July 2004 - May 2006 Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -19

6:44pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

im sure if it was upgraded as a greyhound stadium, gates would increase initially, new stadium, novelty value, etc, they would the hollow out and start falling again, its not a growth industry, its in decline, yes maybe due to lack of investment, but if thats the case, there is a reason behind that. Go back 30 years, tv coverage, a lot of stadiums, well supported, in those days football was in decline, but football is a world industry, the 2nd biggest sporting global competition is the football world cup, only bettered by the olympics, greyhound racing outside of britain and ireland? virtually non existant. we arte looking at the wimbledon stadium for football, for a number of reasons, 1. pre-1928 it was used for football, 2. out of all the sites the club looked at, it both available and suitable, 3 its on plough lane, synonymous with wimbledon football, greyhounds can race anywhere
im sure if it was upgraded as a greyhound stadium, gates would increase initially, new stadium, novelty value, etc, they would the hollow out and start falling again, its not a growth industry, its in decline, yes maybe due to lack of investment, but if thats the case, there is a reason behind that. Go back 30 years, tv coverage, a lot of stadiums, well supported, in those days football was in decline, but football is a world industry, the 2nd biggest sporting global competition is the football world cup, only bettered by the olympics, greyhound racing outside of britain and ireland? virtually non existant. we arte looking at the wimbledon stadium for football, for a number of reasons, 1. pre-1928 it was used for football, 2. out of all the sites the club looked at, it both available and suitable, 3 its on plough lane, synonymous with wimbledon football, greyhounds can race anywhere cheshire_womble
  • Score: -30

7:08pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Isobelteresa says...

Thank you to Zoon_Politicon for his grim reminder of what greyhound racing actually amounts to. Here is his post again, in case anyone missed it, and to which I have nothing to add. The list of names and deaths speaks for itself, for those who have the heart to listen instead of to the tune of their wallets.

"Have to say I am no fan of football but would rather watch that than watch greyhounds being seriously injured, all in the name of entertainment. Below is just a few of the hundreds of greyhounds to lose their life as a result of injury on British tracks every year. Truly sickening.

Rooneys Lad, bk d, June 2010 - Feb. 2012 / Knockdrinna West, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2011 / Rotar Wing, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2011 / Droopys Yankee, dk bd d, July 2009 - Apr. 2011 / Illpayyoulater, bk d, Sep. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Finlays Meadows, bd d, Oct. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Cheeky Court, bk b, July 2008 - Feb. 2011 / Melted Fall, bk d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2011 / Chase Me Chloe, bk w b, July 2008 - Oct. 2010 / Macbally Linsay, bk b, Mar. 2008 - Sep. 2010 / Isle of Tara, bk b, Mar. 2006 - Sep. 2010 / Ballyverry Rock, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2010 / Tyrur Leonard, f d, May 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Sliding Bog, f b, Sep. 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Clubbing Night, bk w d, Sep. 2006 - Aug. 2010 / Daytwo, f d, Oct. 2004 - July 2010 / Wots Er Name, be w b, Mar. 2008 - July 2010 / Lakewood Lass, bk w b, Oct. 2008 - July 2010 / Swift Abel, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2010 / Rackethall Kenny, w bk d, Jan. 2008 - July 2010 / Townbrow Sioux, w be b, Dec. 2006 - July 2010 / Highview Pilot, f d, Feb. 2008 - June 2010 / Brizzle Bling, bk b, Mar. 2008 - June 2010 / Ballybride Rover, bk w d, Aug. 2007 - June 2010 / Nervous Basil, bk d, June 2008 - May 2010 / Astrikersfantasy, be b, Jan. 2007 - Apr. 2010 / Killough Boss, w bk d, Oct. 2007 - Mar. 2010 / Afflecks Palace, w bk d, May 2008 - Mar. 2010 / Rebeccas Hustler, w bd b, Apr. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Fida Cascada, w bk d, Mar. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Malbay Katie, be b, June 2003 - Jan. 2010 / Skywalker Brenda, bk b, Jan. 2008 - Jan. 2010 / Gulleen Star, bk d, Aug. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Glenske Sky, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Jan. 2010 / Ardera Express, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Jan. 2010 / Kilkeedy Blue, be d, Jan. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Loughmore Boy, bk d, Dec. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Time Cracker, bk b, July 2006 - Nov. 2009 / Oklahoma Trail, bd b, Feb. 2005 - Oct. 2009 / Barra Snowstorm, w bk d, Mar. 2007 - Oct. 2009 / Rookies Fantasy, bk d, May 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Obligation, bk d, Jan. 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Aintsheapeach, be bd b, July 2005 - Sep. 2009 / Mistress Quickly, bk b, Dec. 2006 - July 2009 / Mi Starr, bk d, Oct. 2005 - June 2009 / Fortune John, bk w d, Jan. 2006 - June 2009 / Balreask Touch, be d, Aug. 2005 - June 2009 / Dawn Sunset, bk b, Sep. 2005 - June 2009 / Liam Maldini, bk d, July 2006 - May 2009 / Whinge Bag, be b, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Blue Fern, be d, Dec. 2005 - May 2009 / Happy Hawk, bk d, Apr. 2006 - May 2009 / Benlass Panther, bk d, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Princess Rocket, bk w b, May 2007 - May 2009 / Westway Pride, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2009 / Ballymac Mondo, be d, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Upalongway, bk b, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Coran Singer, be b, June 2005 - Apr. 2009 / Maglass Legend, bk w d, Aug. 2004 - Apr. 2009 / Dainty Express, f d, Oct. 2006 - Mar. 2009 / On The Level, w bd d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2009 / Swift Aqua, be w b, Dec. 2005 - Jan. 2009 / Rathtooterny Zip, bk b, Oct. 2005 - Dec. 2008 / Kelsco Girl, bk b, Mar. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Anduin, be d, Oct. 2006 - Nov. 2008 / Emerson Catkin, bk b, Sep. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Daves Dasher, dk bd d, Aug. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Townbrow Mentor, bd d, Dec. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Bluestone Lane, be d, Apr. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Hanoi Son, bk d, May 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Glandore Queen, f w b, Sep. 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Frisby Foreman, f d, Oct. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Corrig Cinders, w be b, Dec. 2005 - Sep. 2008 / Killeacle Rose, be w b, July 2005 – Aug. 2008 / Pigalle Rainbow, bk b, Dec. 2004 - Aug. 2008 / Daltons Lass, bk b, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Glaseen Vieri, bk d, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Hes A Cheetah, w bd d, Oct. 2003 - July 2008 / Work Of Art, w f d, Feb. 2006 - July 2008 / Mail Madness, w bk d, Dec. 2004 - July 2008 / Will He Rumble, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2008 / Hillend Lad, be w d, Sep. 2005 - Apr. 2008 / Sarahs Storm, bd w d, Jan. 2006 - Mar. 2008 / Anns Wood, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Carbarns Lenny, w bk d, Sep. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Head Iton Leanne, w bk b, June 2006 - Feb. 2008 / Dunmahon Boss, bd d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Saleen Rob, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Hi Polejointer, bk d, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Barfunkel Craic, bk b, Apr. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Run On Jess, bk w b, Mar. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Icecream Charlie, f d, Feb. 2006 - Jan. 2008 / Woody The Tiger, bk d, Dec. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Marathon Girl, bk w b, Aug. 2005 - Jan. 2008 / Disney Trip, bk d, Sep. 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Calm Aero, bk w b, July 2003 - Dec. 2007 / Lou Be Sure, bk w b, June 2004 - Dec. 2007 / South West Flyer, be d, Jan. 2006 - Dec. 2007 / Killeacle Abina, be b, July 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Greenwell Flash, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Oct. 2007 / Driving Up Hasty, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Sep. 2007 / Tolcas Refrain, w bk b, June 2004 - July 2007 / Our Vieri, be d, Aug. 2004 - July 2007 / Dunmurry Queen, bk b, May 2002 - July 2007 / Bozman Ruling, bk d, Dec. 2002 - Nov. 2006 / Banahoe Panther, bk d, Oct. 2002 - July 2006 / Two One Zero, bk d, July 2004 - May 2006 "
Thank you to Zoon_Politicon for his grim reminder of what greyhound racing actually amounts to. Here is his post again, in case anyone missed it, and to which I have nothing to add. The list of names and deaths speaks for itself, for those who have the heart to listen instead of to the tune of their wallets. "Have to say I am no fan of football but would rather watch that than watch greyhounds being seriously injured, all in the name of entertainment. Below is just a few of the hundreds of greyhounds to lose their life as a result of injury on British tracks every year. Truly sickening. Rooneys Lad, bk d, June 2010 - Feb. 2012 / Knockdrinna West, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2011 / Rotar Wing, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2011 / Droopys Yankee, dk bd d, July 2009 - Apr. 2011 / Illpayyoulater, bk d, Sep. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Finlays Meadows, bd d, Oct. 2007 - Apr. 2011 / Cheeky Court, bk b, July 2008 - Feb. 2011 / Melted Fall, bk d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2011 / Chase Me Chloe, bk w b, July 2008 - Oct. 2010 / Macbally Linsay, bk b, Mar. 2008 - Sep. 2010 / Isle of Tara, bk b, Mar. 2006 - Sep. 2010 / Ballyverry Rock, bk d, May 2008 - Aug. 2010 / Tyrur Leonard, f d, May 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Sliding Bog, f b, Sep. 2007 - Aug. 2010 / Clubbing Night, bk w d, Sep. 2006 - Aug. 2010 / Daytwo, f d, Oct. 2004 - July 2010 / Wots Er Name, be w b, Mar. 2008 - July 2010 / Lakewood Lass, bk w b, Oct. 2008 - July 2010 / Swift Abel, bk d, Sep. 2007 - July 2010 / Rackethall Kenny, w bk d, Jan. 2008 - July 2010 / Townbrow Sioux, w be b, Dec. 2006 - July 2010 / Highview Pilot, f d, Feb. 2008 - June 2010 / Brizzle Bling, bk b, Mar. 2008 - June 2010 / Ballybride Rover, bk w d, Aug. 2007 - June 2010 / Nervous Basil, bk d, June 2008 - May 2010 / Astrikersfantasy, be b, Jan. 2007 - Apr. 2010 / Killough Boss, w bk d, Oct. 2007 - Mar. 2010 / Afflecks Palace, w bk d, May 2008 - Mar. 2010 / Rebeccas Hustler, w bd b, Apr. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Fida Cascada, w bk d, Mar. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Malbay Katie, be b, June 2003 - Jan. 2010 / Skywalker Brenda, bk b, Jan. 2008 - Jan. 2010 / Gulleen Star, bk d, Aug. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Glenske Sky, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Jan. 2010 / Ardera Express, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Jan. 2010 / Kilkeedy Blue, be d, Jan. 2007 - Jan. 2010 / Loughmore Boy, bk d, Dec. 2006 - Jan. 2010 / Time Cracker, bk b, July 2006 - Nov. 2009 / Oklahoma Trail, bd b, Feb. 2005 - Oct. 2009 / Barra Snowstorm, w bk d, Mar. 2007 - Oct. 2009 / Rookies Fantasy, bk d, May 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Obligation, bk d, Jan. 2007 - Sep. 2009 / Aintsheapeach, be bd b, July 2005 - Sep. 2009 / Mistress Quickly, bk b, Dec. 2006 - July 2009 / Mi Starr, bk d, Oct. 2005 - June 2009 / Fortune John, bk w d, Jan. 2006 - June 2009 / Balreask Touch, be d, Aug. 2005 - June 2009 / Dawn Sunset, bk b, Sep. 2005 - June 2009 / Liam Maldini, bk d, July 2006 - May 2009 / Whinge Bag, be b, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Blue Fern, be d, Dec. 2005 - May 2009 / Happy Hawk, bk d, Apr. 2006 - May 2009 / Benlass Panther, bk d, Jan. 2007 - May 2009 / Princess Rocket, bk w b, May 2007 - May 2009 / Westway Pride, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2009 / Ballymac Mondo, be d, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Upalongway, bk b, May 2006 - Apr. 2009 / Coran Singer, be b, June 2005 - Apr. 2009 / Maglass Legend, bk w d, Aug. 2004 - Apr. 2009 / Dainty Express, f d, Oct. 2006 - Mar. 2009 / On The Level, w bd d, Oct. 2006 - Jan. 2009 / Swift Aqua, be w b, Dec. 2005 - Jan. 2009 / Rathtooterny Zip, bk b, Oct. 2005 - Dec. 2008 / Kelsco Girl, bk b, Mar. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Anduin, be d, Oct. 2006 - Nov. 2008 / Emerson Catkin, bk b, Sep. 2005 - Nov. 2008 / Daves Dasher, dk bd d, Aug. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Townbrow Mentor, bd d, Dec. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Bluestone Lane, be d, Apr. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Hanoi Son, bk d, May 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Glandore Queen, f w b, Sep. 2004 - Oct. 2008 / Frisby Foreman, f d, Oct. 2006 - Oct. 2008 / Corrig Cinders, w be b, Dec. 2005 - Sep. 2008 / Killeacle Rose, be w b, July 2005 – Aug. 2008 / Pigalle Rainbow, bk b, Dec. 2004 - Aug. 2008 / Daltons Lass, bk b, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Glaseen Vieri, bk d, Aug. 2005 - Aug. 2008 / Hes A Cheetah, w bd d, Oct. 2003 - July 2008 / Work Of Art, w f d, Feb. 2006 - July 2008 / Mail Madness, w bk d, Dec. 2004 - July 2008 / Will He Rumble, f d, Oct. 2006 - May 2008 / Hillend Lad, be w d, Sep. 2005 - Apr. 2008 / Sarahs Storm, bd w d, Jan. 2006 - Mar. 2008 / Anns Wood, bk b, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Carbarns Lenny, w bk d, Sep. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Head Iton Leanne, w bk b, June 2006 - Feb. 2008 / Dunmahon Boss, bd d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Saleen Rob, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Hi Polejointer, bk d, Nov. 2004 - Feb. 2008 / Barfunkel Craic, bk b, Apr. 2005 - Feb. 2008 / Run On Jess, bk w b, Mar. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Icecream Charlie, f d, Feb. 2006 - Jan. 2008 / Woody The Tiger, bk d, Dec. 2003 - Jan. 2008 / Marathon Girl, bk w b, Aug. 2005 - Jan. 2008 / Disney Trip, bk d, Sep. 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Calm Aero, bk w b, July 2003 - Dec. 2007 / Lou Be Sure, bk w b, June 2004 - Dec. 2007 / South West Flyer, be d, Jan. 2006 - Dec. 2007 / Killeacle Abina, be b, July 2005 - Dec. 2007 / Greenwell Flash, bk d, Jan. 2004 - Oct. 2007 / Driving Up Hasty, bk d, Apr. 2005 - Sep. 2007 / Tolcas Refrain, w bk b, June 2004 - July 2007 / Our Vieri, be d, Aug. 2004 - July 2007 / Dunmurry Queen, bk b, May 2002 - July 2007 / Bozman Ruling, bk d, Dec. 2002 - Nov. 2006 / Banahoe Panther, bk d, Oct. 2002 - July 2006 / Two One Zero, bk d, July 2004 - May 2006 " Isobelteresa
  • Score: -23

8:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

http://greytexploita
tions.com/resources-
and-reports/the-secr
et-slaves-of-the-dog
-racing-industry
http://greytexploita tions.com/resources- and-reports/the-secr et-slaves-of-the-dog -racing-industry Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -21

8:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

So the Dog people's arguments seem to be:

Dog Racing is viable and Pascal Taggart's plans are viable:
If so why do the people who own the land not want a greyhound stadium there and why has greyhound stadium after stadium closed down without an obvious spike in attendances elsewhere? If Wimbledon is really London's last stadium (officially it isn't) why isn't is pulling in numbers to match?

A football stadium and housing is not viable because the land is flood plain:
If so, what makes a greyhound stadium and housing viable? How many greyhound meets at Plough Lane have been abandoned to flooding? What reason is there to think Wimbledon's plan will be any more affected that Taggart's?

Greyhound racing is more beneficial to the local community than the football club:
If so why has every pub and cafe near the stadium bar the Corner Pin closed down in the years since Wimbledon FC left Plough Lane, while cafe owners where Wimbledon currently play have been expanding premises and local pubs have been thriving?

And I note that their rentamob from the Racing Post are on here voting down any pro-Wimbledon comments, but I am yet to see any coherent arguments from them.

Yes I'm biased. I am a Wimbledon supporter of 35 years. Have lived within walking distance of the Stadium all that time, still do but have visited the Dogs less than 10 times. The vast majority of Merton residents are just not interested in the Dogs any more and haven't been for decades

That is fact. As is everything else above
So the Dog people's arguments seem to be: Dog Racing is viable and Pascal Taggart's plans are viable: If so why do the people who own the land not want a greyhound stadium there and why has greyhound stadium after stadium closed down without an obvious spike in attendances elsewhere? If Wimbledon is really London's last stadium (officially it isn't) why isn't is pulling in numbers to match? A football stadium and housing is not viable because the land is flood plain: If so, what makes a greyhound stadium and housing viable? How many greyhound meets at Plough Lane have been abandoned to flooding? What reason is there to think Wimbledon's plan will be any more affected that Taggart's? Greyhound racing is more beneficial to the local community than the football club: If so why has every pub and cafe near the stadium bar the Corner Pin closed down in the years since Wimbledon FC left Plough Lane, while cafe owners where Wimbledon currently play have been expanding premises and local pubs have been thriving? And I note that their rentamob from the Racing Post are on here voting down any pro-Wimbledon comments, but I am yet to see any coherent arguments from them. Yes I'm biased. I am a Wimbledon supporter of 35 years. Have lived within walking distance of the Stadium all that time, still do but have visited the Dogs less than 10 times. The vast majority of Merton residents are just not interested in the Dogs any more and haven't been for decades That is fact. As is everything else above ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -13

8:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

http://youtu.be/RNw7
f3HysDw The truth behind greyhound racing.
http://youtu.be/RNw7 f3HysDw The truth behind greyhound racing. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -18

8:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

OLDJOHNBOY says...

Bushmonkey wrote:
klindsay1824 wrote:
Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.
I would suggest that football has much more of a mass appeal, given the thousands who attend matches every week compared to the hundreds who attend greyhound racing.
And as for working class roots, you can't be much more rooted in working class than football. Matches traditionally kick off at 3pm on a Saturday as men were traditionally given the afternoon off from their factory work to play matches. Arsenal were set up as a works team at a Woolwich armoury. West Ham started life as Thames Ironworks FC. Tickets may be more expensive nowadays, but surely that is testiment to the sports popularity. When football clubs have to resort to giving free entry, free food and a free programme to anyone with an Oyster Card just to entice people thorugh the door, than I will worry about the future of the sport!

AFC WImbledon are a local club representinfg the local community. The very fact that many people came over from Ireland to aid the protest is another clue that the greyhound bid does not have the local support.

Face it: greyhound racing is a dying sport. It is also barbaric.

Just look at this NSFW link and then tell me you still support the 'sport':

http://www.animal-ri

ghts-action.com/grey

hound-dogs.html
You have had a football club in Wimbledon for years and it was so badly let down by its support it moved to Milton Keynes
[quote][p][bold]Bushmonkey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that football has much more of a mass appeal, given the thousands who attend matches every week compared to the hundreds who attend greyhound racing. And as for working class roots, you can't be much more rooted in working class than football. Matches traditionally kick off at 3pm on a Saturday as men were traditionally given the afternoon off from their factory work to play matches. Arsenal were set up as a works team at a Woolwich armoury. West Ham started life as Thames Ironworks FC. Tickets may be more expensive nowadays, but surely that is testiment to the sports popularity. When football clubs have to resort to giving free entry, free food and a free programme to anyone with an Oyster Card just to entice people thorugh the door, than I will worry about the future of the sport! AFC WImbledon are a local club representinfg the local community. The very fact that many people came over from Ireland to aid the protest is another clue that the greyhound bid does not have the local support. Face it: greyhound racing is a dying sport. It is also barbaric. Just look at this NSFW link and then tell me you still support the 'sport': http://www.animal-ri ghts-action.com/grey hound-dogs.html[/p][/quote]You have had a football club in Wimbledon for years and it was so badly let down by its support it moved to Milton Keynes OLDJOHNBOY
  • Score: 17

8:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

What is so sad ISOBELTERESA, is the numpties thumb down your post which shows just how sick there Pro-Racers are.. Our Vieri, be d, Aug. 2004 - July 2007 if you look at his story it should go a long way in shutting the industry down. It was a stain on mankind.
What is so sad ISOBELTERESA, is the numpties thumb down your post which shows just how sick there Pro-Racers are.. Our Vieri, be d, Aug. 2004 - July 2007 if you look at his story it should go a long way in shutting the industry down. It was a stain on mankind. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -14

9:02pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

What is also sad is that these alleged greyhound lovers fail to put coats on their dogs on a very cold day.. Even the woman who is mutton dressed as mutton. Don't they see themselves as the public see them, just losers.
What is also sad is that these alleged greyhound lovers fail to put coats on their dogs on a very cold day.. Even the woman who is mutton dressed as mutton. Don't they see themselves as the public see them, just losers. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -15

9:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

greyhoundlover, you, mothertesea wannabe and zoon ...what you all have in common in would seem is that you snipe anonymously from the sidelines, are unwilling or more probably unable to give any examples of neo libellous comments you post, which it would seem are without substance.. but whilst perhaps some might say you are ultra-gullible to believe nonsense websites, and whilst you may be unable to think for yourselves or research what the actual truth is (to the point that you embarrass yourselves by saying there were 50 people at City Hall "because someone told me") you are all exceptional at copying and pasting other people views that you’ve probably never met, never spoken and don’t even know what country they live in…but you like the anonymous risk free fad…….,welcome to the facebook age...were you the 15 year old students that protested for Nelson Mandela’s release around 1988 because it was de rigeur, not that you really knew what you were protesting about? or perhaps you're that age now..

go on reach for the mouse to copy and paste something, you know you want to…get your thesaurus out and find a similar ‘sickening’ adjective article on something you know next to nothing about but feel big and important and anonymous
greyhoundlover, you, mothertesea wannabe and zoon ...what you all have in common in would seem is that you snipe anonymously from the sidelines, are unwilling or more probably unable to give any examples of neo libellous comments you post, which it would seem are without substance.. but whilst perhaps some might say you are ultra-gullible to believe nonsense websites, and whilst you may be unable to think for yourselves or research what the actual truth is (to the point that you embarrass yourselves by saying there were 50 people at City Hall "because someone told me") you are all exceptional at copying and pasting other people views that you’ve probably never met, never spoken and don’t even know what country they live in…but you like the anonymous risk free fad…….,welcome to the facebook age...were you the 15 year old students that protested for Nelson Mandela’s release around 1988 because it was de rigeur, not that you really knew what you were protesting about? or perhaps you're that age now.. go on reach for the mouse to copy and paste something, you know you want to…get your thesaurus out and find a similar ‘sickening’ adjective article on something you know next to nothing about but feel big and important and anonymous field walker
  • Score: 15

9:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

it was 11C and dry....it probably was same temperature as you sittingin your bedroom sniping away anoymously on your computer using above people's information
it was 11C and dry....it probably was same temperature as you sittingin your bedroom sniping away anoymously on your computer using above people's information field walker
  • Score: 15

9:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kayteeee says...

People protesting to keep the track open? That's a first, it's normally to get these hell holes shut down! Why on Earth would someone protest to continue animal abuse? Bit weird.
People protesting to keep the track open? That's a first, it's normally to get these hell holes shut down! Why on Earth would someone protest to continue animal abuse? Bit weird. Kayteeee
  • Score: -19

9:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kayteeee says...

In 2014 can people not find something better to do for "entertainment" than watching abused animals run round a track? The mind truly boggles!
In 2014 can people not find something better to do for "entertainment" than watching abused animals run round a track? The mind truly boggles! Kayteeee
  • Score: -16

9:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Shoeless Joe, I understand your loyalty, and your post is a sensible one. I am not going to go into whether it's viable to build a big stadium for a very small club in London with big clubs on your doorsteps...but simply your club left, split into 2 clubs, you have no more right to the Plough Lane site than any other business..I hope you go back to Merton and you find a suitable stadium, but there is not the demand for a big stadium 20% full and Galliards will drop you as soon as they can engineer it, many would say
Shoeless Joe, I understand your loyalty, and your post is a sensible one. I am not going to go into whether it's viable to build a big stadium for a very small club in London with big clubs on your doorsteps...but simply your club left, split into 2 clubs, you have no more right to the Plough Lane site than any other business..I hope you go back to Merton and you find a suitable stadium, but there is not the demand for a big stadium 20% full and Galliards will drop you as soon as they can engineer it, many would say field walker
  • Score: 14

9:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

oldjohnboy - spouting more misinformatioin, obviously you are not familiar with the facts surrounding how we lost plough lane, and how a franchise to milton keynes occured? no i thought not. so how about some factual history for you? in 1991 we left plough lane, supposedly temporarily, as due to the taylor report (hillsborough), meant that the ground was not deemed suitable for top flight football, so we moved into selhurst park as lodgers, nothing there to do with lack of support. Hammam (the then owner) fed us a pack of lies to how we couldnt go back to plough lane (im talking the football stadium we vacated in 1991, not when we vacated the current greyhound stadium in 1928 btw). He then sold the club to a couple of norwegians, and negotiated the only tangible assett (ie the plough lane ground) as part of his settlement. we the fans always wanted to go back to plough lane, unfortunately we were not able to get the old ground back due to underhand tactics of the former owner. the norwegians now had a controlling interest in a club with little money in a multi million £ league and industry. in stepped peter winkleman, who from the 1960's had tried to acquire a league side many times (qpr, northampton, barnet, luton, crystal palace, wimbledon (70's), who saw his opportunity to have league football in milton keynes (without earning it i might add), despite all our protestation he got the g votes to ahead to steal our club, the football league had rejected his approach by 8 votes to 0, he won his appeal 2 votes to 1 - hardly democratic, we had no say, but not due to lack of fans, we ended up averaging 15000 in the premier league, and about 8000 in the league below. so how did our support let us down?
oldjohnboy - spouting more misinformatioin, obviously you are not familiar with the facts surrounding how we lost plough lane, and how a franchise to milton keynes occured? no i thought not. so how about some factual history for you? in 1991 we left plough lane, supposedly temporarily, as due to the taylor report (hillsborough), meant that the ground was not deemed suitable for top flight football, so we moved into selhurst park as lodgers, nothing there to do with lack of support. Hammam (the then owner) fed us a pack of lies to how we couldnt go back to plough lane (im talking the football stadium we vacated in 1991, not when we vacated the current greyhound stadium in 1928 btw). He then sold the club to a couple of norwegians, and negotiated the only tangible assett (ie the plough lane ground) as part of his settlement. we the fans always wanted to go back to plough lane, unfortunately we were not able to get the old ground back due to underhand tactics of the former owner. the norwegians now had a controlling interest in a club with little money in a multi million £ league and industry. in stepped peter winkleman, who from the 1960's had tried to acquire a league side many times (qpr, northampton, barnet, luton, crystal palace, wimbledon (70's), who saw his opportunity to have league football in milton keynes (without earning it i might add), despite all our protestation he got the g votes to ahead to steal our club, the football league had rejected his approach by 8 votes to 0, he won his appeal 2 votes to 1 - hardly democratic, we had no say, but not due to lack of fans, we ended up averaging 15000 in the premier league, and about 8000 in the league below. so how did our support let us down? cheshire_womble
  • Score: -12

9:24pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

field walker wrote:
it was 11C and dry....it probably was same temperature as you sittingin your bedroom sniping away anoymously on your computer using above people's information
I love you field walker, the first time I have ever met someone from cloud cuckoo land.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: it was 11C and dry....it probably was same temperature as you sittingin your bedroom sniping away anoymously on your computer using above people's information[/p][/quote]I love you field walker, the first time I have ever met someone from cloud cuckoo land. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -14

9:27pm Wed 19 Feb 14

aceacamai says...

co2 wrote:
ZoonPolitikon wrote:
"Hundreds of people." Where? And the fact greyhounds were brought into the centre of London and, on a cold winters day, are not wearing coats, speaks volumes about how members of the racing fraternity treat these beautiful animals.
obviously a mis informed anti racer,the weather was mild and dogs have a fur coat to keep warm.
Fur coat? Most greyhounds have practically no fur on their bellies, chest and on the inner side of their thighs. I put a coat on my 4 dogs (only one of which is a greyhound, btw, the other 3 have even more fur) even when the weather is "mild". It's like a person being naked (or in underwear) outside in such conditions.

Animals' well-being should be put first - and greyhound racing definitelly does not do that. How many dogs are destroyed due to injuries sustained during races? How many dogs fall at the first bend? How many dogs have been killed using bolt guns? It's high time to stop treating greyhounds like "working" animals and start respecting these beautiful and gentle beings that enjoy nothing more than roaching on a sofa, playing with other dogs and being close to their family. Vegetating in cold, damp kennels is far from this.

You bet, they die. Grow a pair and run around on those tracks yourself, I'll come and see you from as far as Slovenia. I'll bet on the runners and if anyone gets hurt, they'll be destroyed right there. Let's see how long this would last.
[quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZoonPolitikon[/bold] wrote: "Hundreds of people." Where? And the fact greyhounds were brought into the centre of London and, on a cold winters day, are not wearing coats, speaks volumes about how members of the racing fraternity treat these beautiful animals.[/p][/quote]obviously a mis informed anti racer,the weather was mild and dogs have a fur coat to keep warm.[/p][/quote]Fur coat? Most greyhounds have practically no fur on their bellies, chest and on the inner side of their thighs. I put a coat on my 4 dogs (only one of which is a greyhound, btw, the other 3 have even more fur) even when the weather is "mild". It's like a person being naked (or in underwear) outside in such conditions. Animals' well-being should be put first - and greyhound racing definitelly does not do that. How many dogs are destroyed due to injuries sustained during races? How many dogs fall at the first bend? How many dogs have been killed using bolt guns? It's high time to stop treating greyhounds like "working" animals and start respecting these beautiful and gentle beings that enjoy nothing more than roaching on a sofa, playing with other dogs and being close to their family. Vegetating in cold, damp kennels is far from this. You bet, they die. Grow a pair and run around on those tracks yourself, I'll come and see you from as far as Slovenia. I'll bet on the runners and if anyone gets hurt, they'll be destroyed right there. Let's see how long this would last. aceacamai
  • Score: -13

9:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

aceacamai says...

tomlinks wrote:
All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!!

These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday??

Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it.

I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.
If a greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they won't - true. BUT. How many of these hounds survive? How many are being disposed of because they are not profitable? Not many trainers/owners make sure that such dogs are rehomed to loving homes. Most dispose such dogs in the most cruel ways possible. Google "remember Rusty" or "remembering Valentina". Those are just 2 examples of "people's" cruelty. Both were murdered because they were of no use anymore. Why?
[quote][p][bold]tomlinks[/bold] wrote: All of this ''forced to race'' rubbish really grinds on me! If the dogs didn't want to race they wouldn't...plain and simple FACT - if the greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they wont, they CANNOT be forced!! These dogs are treat like kings and queens, how many dogs can you name who are fed on fresh chicken, beef , vegetables everyday?? Without greyhound racing the breed would die off, they are using their natural instincts when they race, they are born to do it. I challenge anyone to say they take care of their pet dogs better than I do my racers, they want for nothing. The industry has had bad publicity and I agree there have been some terrible incidents in the past which I wholeheartedly do not condone. What people fail to realise is that this happens in all walks of life, there are bad people in all aspects of life but I can assure you there are a whole lot more good people in greyhound racing than bad people.[/p][/quote]If a greyhound does not want to chase the lure then they won't - true. BUT. How many of these hounds survive? How many are being disposed of because they are not profitable? Not many trainers/owners make sure that such dogs are rehomed to loving homes. Most dispose such dogs in the most cruel ways possible. Google "remember Rusty" or "remembering Valentina". Those are just 2 examples of "people's" cruelty. Both were murdered because they were of no use anymore. Why? aceacamai
  • Score: -15

9:41pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Yes it was 11Cand dry, look on the historical website.

I doubt you meet anyone....just copy and paste info from websites from people who may live in other countries, and you never speak to or meet...


look at aceacamai above, one of you lot. his/her first paragraph is comical, what a load of cobblers, he/she most likely overheats his/her dogs, no fur on their bellies, lol, I dont think the dogs wore Gucci coats in the wild ..I cant wait to tell people about this jackanory, brilliant aceacamai, thank you for that ho ho. perhap you;re considering an adipose tissue transplant from a whale stomach to keep them warm, lol, well played, you;re a cracker
Yes it was 11Cand dry, look on the historical website. I doubt you meet anyone....just copy and paste info from websites from people who may live in other countries, and you never speak to or meet... look at aceacamai above, one of you lot. his/her first paragraph is comical, what a load of cobblers, he/she most likely overheats his/her dogs, no fur on their bellies, lol, I dont think the dogs wore Gucci coats in the wild ..I cant wait to tell people about this jackanory, brilliant aceacamai, thank you for that ho ho. perhap you;re considering an adipose tissue transplant from a whale stomach to keep them warm, lol, well played, you;re a cracker field walker
  • Score: 14

9:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

People remember the Anti's making a movie of injury to Sidaz Scotty, and not saying but intimating he was killed... what they neglected to state (and they could have when movie made) was that 4 months later he was back to health and favourite for the Derby - the world's premier race...misinformatio
n again, so people should take no notice of the misleading ungenuine videos you post. cluless, just believe what your told by yoir leaders. BTW there is no Father Xmas
People remember the Anti's making a movie of injury to Sidaz Scotty, and not saying but intimating he was killed... what they neglected to state (and they could have when movie made) was that 4 months later he was back to health and favourite for the Derby - the world's premier race...misinformatio n again, so people should take no notice of the misleading ungenuine videos you post. cluless, just believe what your told by yoir leaders. BTW there is no Father Xmas field walker
  • Score: 15

9:56pm Wed 19 Feb 14

aceacamai says...

field walker wrote:
Yes it was 11Cand dry, look on the historical website.

I doubt you meet anyone....just copy and paste info from websites from people who may live in other countries, and you never speak to or meet...


look at aceacamai above, one of you lot. his/her first paragraph is comical, what a load of cobblers, he/she most likely overheats his/her dogs, no fur on their bellies, lol, I dont think the dogs wore Gucci coats in the wild ..I cant wait to tell people about this jackanory, brilliant aceacamai, thank you for that ho ho. perhap you;re considering an adipose tissue transplant from a whale stomach to keep them warm, lol, well played, you;re a cracker
Ok, from one extreme to another, right? So I'm the abuser because I put a coat on my dog when I see her being cold? And yes, my greyhound gets cold even in "mild" weather. My dogs eat home-cooked meals, sleep in our beds, cuddled up to us, covered with our duvets. They are free to run in an enclosed area. Yes, greyhounds love to run. And that's just what my furbaby does. BUT. She won't get killed for being too slow and coming up last at the race. Or for not liking to chase the lure. That's the difference between loving and exploiting. She won't have her ears hacked off so noone will be able to find me.

Oh, and let me ask just one question - how come people in the above picture are wearing scarfs and winter clothes if the temperatures were really that high? Silly, right?
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Yes it was 11Cand dry, look on the historical website. I doubt you meet anyone....just copy and paste info from websites from people who may live in other countries, and you never speak to or meet... look at aceacamai above, one of you lot. his/her first paragraph is comical, what a load of cobblers, he/she most likely overheats his/her dogs, no fur on their bellies, lol, I dont think the dogs wore Gucci coats in the wild ..I cant wait to tell people about this jackanory, brilliant aceacamai, thank you for that ho ho. perhap you;re considering an adipose tissue transplant from a whale stomach to keep them warm, lol, well played, you;re a cracker[/p][/quote]Ok, from one extreme to another, right? So I'm the abuser because I put a coat on my dog when I see her being cold? And yes, my greyhound gets cold even in "mild" weather. My dogs eat home-cooked meals, sleep in our beds, cuddled up to us, covered with our duvets. They are free to run in an enclosed area. Yes, greyhounds love to run. And that's just what my furbaby does. BUT. She won't get killed for being too slow and coming up last at the race. Or for not liking to chase the lure. That's the difference between loving and exploiting. She won't have her ears hacked off so noone will be able to find me. Oh, and let me ask just one question - how come people in the above picture are wearing scarfs and winter clothes if the temperatures were really that high? Silly, right? aceacamai
  • Score: -12

9:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

ACEACAMAI -

"How many of these hounds survive? How many are being disposed of because they are not profitable? Not many trainers/owners make sure that such dogs are rehomed to loving homes. Most dispose such dogs in the most cruel ways possible?"

Do you know the answers to your above questions? I am guessing not. If MOST dispose of, please name some and I'll help you. go on just one or two or three....but let me guess you dont have any current trainers names or wont give any, because you dont know any. YOU CARING ANONYMOUS KEYBOARD WARRIOR YOU.
ACEACAMAI - "How many of these hounds survive? How many are being disposed of because they are not profitable? Not many trainers/owners make sure that such dogs are rehomed to loving homes. Most dispose such dogs in the most cruel ways possible?" Do you know the answers to your above questions? I am guessing not. If MOST dispose of, please name some and I'll help you. go on just one or two or three....but let me guess you dont have any current trainers names or wont give any, because you dont know any. YOU CARING ANONYMOUS KEYBOARD WARRIOR YOU. field walker
  • Score: -3

9:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.
I'm certainly no middle class activist, just a working class woman who believes sport should be for those who chose to take part. Not animals forced into it for profit and then discarded when they no longer make money.
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing has mass appeal as anyone who attends a Saturday night meeting can attest to. The sport has its roots firmly set in working class culture and this makes it susceptible to criticism from the small minority of middle class activists who think nothing of decrying a sport associated with the working man and his dog. These self proclaimed experts who share their poorly researched opinions about a sport they know little about wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a Cartier Polo match, Royal Ascot or a shoot on the Sandringham Estate! Speaks volumes really.[/p][/quote]I'm certainly no middle class activist, just a working class woman who believes sport should be for those who chose to take part. Not animals forced into it for profit and then discarded when they no longer make money. lovemygrey
  • Score: -9

10:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

If you read some of the comments ACEACAMAI you will see some people left at 4am so of course they had coats on....check out the MET OFFICE temperature conditions at 2pm Mon 17th, the postcode and post with wesite is above, it was very coats mild, would everyone carry their coats around separately, youre not bright enough surely to help dogs or anyone.

Killed for being too slow, not liking to chase, you have no idea. Suggest you stick to bullfighting protests, easier for you to explain
If you read some of the comments ACEACAMAI you will see some people left at 4am so of course they had coats on....check out the MET OFFICE temperature conditions at 2pm Mon 17th, the postcode and post with wesite is above, it was very coats mild, would everyone carry their coats around separately, youre not bright enough surely to help dogs or anyone. Killed for being too slow, not liking to chase, you have no idea. Suggest you stick to bullfighting protests, easier for you to explain field walker
  • Score: 12

10:10pm Wed 19 Feb 14

aceacamai says...

field walker wrote:
ACEACAMAI -

"How many of these hounds survive? How many are being disposed of because they are not profitable? Not many trainers/owners make sure that such dogs are rehomed to loving homes. Most dispose such dogs in the most cruel ways possible?"

Do you know the answers to your above questions? I am guessing not. If MOST dispose of, please name some and I'll help you. go on just one or two or three....but let me guess you dont have any current trainers names or wont give any, because you dont know any. YOU CARING ANONYMOUS KEYBOARD WARRIOR YOU.
Anonymous keyboard warrior? Sure, if you want it that way. Luckily, I live in a country that does not have greyhound racing. But that doesn't mean I don't participate actively in efforts to end this "sport".
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: ACEACAMAI - "How many of these hounds survive? How many are being disposed of because they are not profitable? Not many trainers/owners make sure that such dogs are rehomed to loving homes. Most dispose such dogs in the most cruel ways possible?" Do you know the answers to your above questions? I am guessing not. If MOST dispose of, please name some and I'll help you. go on just one or two or three....but let me guess you dont have any current trainers names or wont give any, because you dont know any. YOU CARING ANONYMOUS KEYBOARD WARRIOR YOU.[/p][/quote]Anonymous keyboard warrior? Sure, if you want it that way. Luckily, I live in a country that does not have greyhound racing. But that doesn't mean I don't participate actively in efforts to end this "sport". aceacamai
  • Score: -11

10:11pm Wed 19 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

Of course the Irish turned up, they know the closing of another track will hit them where it hurts in their pockets!!! The over breeding of greyhounds in Ireland is common knowledge. Thousands bred every year to take part in this "sport" what happens to the rest that don't make the grade?

Greyhound racing is on the decline, that is obvious to see from how many tracks have closed, more are more people realise it's cruel and out dated and hopefully will fade into oblivion and no more greyhounds will have their ears hacked off, a bolt gun to the head, be given illegal drugs.

I have seen some racing kennels and the public would be outraged if they saw the squalid conditions some of these poor dogs live in.
Of course the Irish turned up, they know the closing of another track will hit them where it hurts in their pockets!!! The over breeding of greyhounds in Ireland is common knowledge. Thousands bred every year to take part in this "sport" what happens to the rest that don't make the grade? Greyhound racing is on the decline, that is obvious to see from how many tracks have closed, more are more people realise it's cruel and out dated and hopefully will fade into oblivion and no more greyhounds will have their ears hacked off, a bolt gun to the head, be given illegal drugs. I have seen some racing kennels and the public would be outraged if they saw the squalid conditions some of these poor dogs live in. lovemygrey
  • Score: -8

10:17pm Wed 19 Feb 14

field walker says...

Acemaicamei - so youve never been to a racing kennel then I thought so, it's very clear you're ignorant of matters from your posts, and I see misreprsentation also from lovemygrey "squalid kennels" in the UK they are subject to regular expensive vet and stipendiary steward random visit inspections.

I am gonna leave it for tonight now as it seems that with all the people coming on now (not from UK) whereby it must be beginning of the morning, it's like the ignorant muppet show has started... good luck with your vacuous prose and copying and pasting. Computer says NO
Acemaicamei - so youve never been to a racing kennel then I thought so, it's very clear you're ignorant of matters from your posts, and I see misreprsentation also from lovemygrey "squalid kennels" in the UK they are subject to regular expensive vet and stipendiary steward random visit inspections. I am gonna leave it for tonight now as it seems that with all the people coming on now (not from UK) whereby it must be beginning of the morning, it's like the ignorant muppet show has started... good luck with your vacuous prose and copying and pasting. Computer says NO field walker
  • Score: 3

10:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Westbank says...

Why is the list of retired greyhounds residing not in the public domain.Destroying greyhounds with a bolt gun,owners drugging dogs to hold them back.Its no wonder attendances have plummeted,the self regulated GBG have not done enough to clean up the sport.
Why is the list of retired greyhounds residing not in the public domain.Destroying greyhounds with a bolt gun,owners drugging dogs to hold them back.Its no wonder attendances have plummeted,the self regulated GBG have not done enough to clean up the sport. Westbank
  • Score: -10

10:30pm Wed 19 Feb 14

klindsay1824 says...

Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing! klindsay1824
  • Score: 13

10:36pm Wed 19 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

field walker wrote:
Acemaicamei - so youve never been to a racing kennel then I thought so, it's very clear you're ignorant of matters from your posts, and I see misreprsentation also from lovemygrey "squalid kennels" in the UK they are subject to regular expensive vet and stipendiary steward random visit inspections.

I am gonna leave it for tonight now as it seems that with all the people coming on now (not from UK) whereby it must be beginning of the morning, it's like the ignorant muppet show has started... good luck with your vacuous prose and copying and pasting. Computer says NO
I'm from the UK and I have a greyhound discarded from the racing industry when he could no longer race. I also volunteer at a greyhound rehoming centre which is constantly in demand due the stupid number of greys bred for racing .I have seen first hand the state some of the hounds come in so don't try the holier than thou attitude with me!!!
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Acemaicamei - so youve never been to a racing kennel then I thought so, it's very clear you're ignorant of matters from your posts, and I see misreprsentation also from lovemygrey "squalid kennels" in the UK they are subject to regular expensive vet and stipendiary steward random visit inspections. I am gonna leave it for tonight now as it seems that with all the people coming on now (not from UK) whereby it must be beginning of the morning, it's like the ignorant muppet show has started... good luck with your vacuous prose and copying and pasting. Computer says NO[/p][/quote]I'm from the UK and I have a greyhound discarded from the racing industry when he could no longer race. I also volunteer at a greyhound rehoming centre which is constantly in demand due the stupid number of greys bred for racing .I have seen first hand the state some of the hounds come in so don't try the holier than thou attitude with me!!! lovemygrey
  • Score: -11

10:36pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kayteeee says...

We have our own protests that are very well attended by hundreds of people all against the way these beautiful gentle souls (that's greyhounds by the way, you know, those moneymaking machines you shoot or dispose of when they stop winning/aren't fast enough in the first place/surplus to requirement) are treated. No need to turn up to this one!
https://www.facebook
.com/events/23043076
7125115/
We have our own protests that are very well attended by hundreds of people all against the way these beautiful gentle souls (that's greyhounds by the way, you know, those moneymaking machines you shoot or dispose of when they stop winning/aren't fast enough in the first place/surplus to requirement) are treated. No need to turn up to this one! https://www.facebook .com/events/23043076 7125115/ Kayteeee
  • Score: -11

10:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Kayteeee says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
We have our own protests that are very well attended by hundreds of people all against the way these beautiful gentle souls (that's greyhounds by the way, you know, those moneymaking machines you shoot or dispose of when they stop winning/aren't fast enough in the first place/surplus to requirement) are treated. No need to turn up to this one!
https://www.facebook
.com/events/23043076
7125115/
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing![/p][/quote]We have our own protests that are very well attended by hundreds of people all against the way these beautiful gentle souls (that's greyhounds by the way, you know, those moneymaking machines you shoot or dispose of when they stop winning/aren't fast enough in the first place/surplus to requirement) are treated. No need to turn up to this one! https://www.facebook .com/events/23043076 7125115/ Kayteeee
  • Score: -8

10:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Westbank says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
Why would any person attend a meeting that they are not in favour for,the comments show the disregard people have for Greyhound racing.
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing![/p][/quote]Why would any person attend a meeting that they are not in favour for,the comments show the disregard people have for Greyhound racing. Westbank
  • Score: 4

10:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want?

No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c
om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing![/p][/quote]It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want? No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way). Arthur Morris
  • Score: -3

11:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

Arthur Morris wrote:
klindsay1824 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want?

No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c

om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).
Fantastic how greyhound folk are voting down what they consider to be the misinformed and misleading comments. It is very easy (and satisfying) to simply vote on the thumbs up or thumbs down buttons against misinformed or misleading posts. EXTERNAL LINK
As a general rule of thumb (no pun intended) a comment with a minus against it is most probably misinformed or misleading. Keep up the good work - for some reason it seems to incense them when we fight back!
It is necessary and very important to keep visiting the page and scrolling right to the end of the comments because as more get posted some misleading and misinformed comments might get missed.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Morris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing![/p][/quote]It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want? No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).[/p][/quote]Fantastic how greyhound folk are voting down what they consider to be the misinformed and misleading comments. It is very easy (and satisfying) to simply vote on the thumbs up or thumbs down buttons against misinformed or misleading posts. EXTERNAL LINK As a general rule of thumb (no pun intended) a comment with a minus against it is most probably misinformed or misleading. Keep up the good work - for some reason it seems to incense them when we fight back! It is necessary and very important to keep visiting the page and scrolling right to the end of the comments because as more get posted some misleading and misinformed comments might get missed. lovemygrey
  • Score: -9

11:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

klindsay1824 says...

Arthur Morris wrote:
klindsay1824 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want?

No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c

om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).
Arthur it's called a "campaign" and we were told that there would be a counter demonstration to our peaceful, well attended show of support for the Mayor outside City Hall.

I was simply commenting on the fact that nobody could be bothered to turn up for the much vaulted counter demonstration #apathy

As for your other comments #it'scalledcampaigni
ng
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Morris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing![/p][/quote]It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want? No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).[/p][/quote]Arthur it's called a "campaign" and we were told that there would be a counter demonstration to our peaceful, well attended show of support for the Mayor outside City Hall. I was simply commenting on the fact that nobody could be bothered to turn up for the much vaulted counter demonstration #apathy As for your other comments #it'scalledcampaigni ng klindsay1824
  • Score: 13

11:40pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

Fieldworker

I note you didn't answer my specific points but:

FieldWorker, I understand your loyalty, and your post is a sensible one. I am not going to go into whether it's viable to build a big stadium for a declining pastime in London with big football clubs on your doorsteps...but simply your industry has declined to the point most people can get in for free with an Oyster card, you have no right to the Plough Lane site as your industry does not own the land..I hope you find a suitable place to keep your industry alive though not at the expense of the great Merton success story of the last 12 years, but there is not the demand for a greyhound stadium in the whole of London, let alone Merton and Paschal Taggart will drop you as soon as he can engineer it, many would say.
Fieldworker I note you didn't answer my specific points but: FieldWorker, I understand your loyalty, and your post is a sensible one. I am not going to go into whether it's viable to build a big stadium for a declining pastime in London with big football clubs on your doorsteps...but simply your industry has declined to the point most people can get in for free with an Oyster card, you have no right to the Plough Lane site as your industry does not own the land..I hope you find a suitable place to keep your industry alive though not at the expense of the great Merton success story of the last 12 years, but there is not the demand for a greyhound stadium in the whole of London, let alone Merton and Paschal Taggart will drop you as soon as he can engineer it, many would say. ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -12

11:47pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

klindsay1824 wrote:
Arthur Morris wrote:
klindsay1824 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday.
Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing!
It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want?

No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c


om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).
Arthur it's called a "campaign" and we were told that there would be a counter demonstration to our peaceful, well attended show of support for the Mayor outside City Hall.

I was simply commenting on the fact that nobody could be bothered to turn up for the much vaulted counter demonstration #apathy

As for your other comments #it'scalledcampaigni

ng
I think you have been misled. Wimbledon fans have been used to organising protests over the years. Why would we want to protest? A calm, rational and impartial planning hearing was held recently where all sides presented their case. AFC Wimbledon believe theirs is a strong one and (I'm told) it was noted that Taggart seemed to be trying to argue points that weren't for the hearing to decide. No reason for AFC Wimbledon or its supporters to do anything but sit and wait for a planning decision about Merton. We don't need to go stomping off to the Mayor to 'save our industry'. We just need to be clear we are Wimbledon supporters, from Wimbledon who want to see the club help revitalise an area that has gone dramatically downhill in the last 10-15 years
[quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Morris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klindsay1824[/bold] wrote: Thanks to everyone who voted down the misinformation in the comments when this page was first put up on line. We now have people making comments that have nothing to do with the peaceful and well attended event at City Hall as reported here on Monday. Not one of these commentators here tonight could be bothered to attend City Hall on Monday preferring instead to make anonymous comments here instead. Speaks volumes really! Thanks everyone you've been amazing![/p][/quote]It speaks volumes that Wimbledon fans and anti-racing protestors didn't turn up to City Hall to a pro-racing event? Are you for real? You think it's because people couldn't be "bothered" to attend an event 180 degrees opposed to what they want? No wonder people on the www.greyhound-data.c om forum are telling you not to post comments Kevin (people should really visit it themselves to see what an orchestrated downvoting of comments they're organising here, by the way).[/p][/quote]Arthur it's called a "campaign" and we were told that there would be a counter demonstration to our peaceful, well attended show of support for the Mayor outside City Hall. I was simply commenting on the fact that nobody could be bothered to turn up for the much vaulted counter demonstration #apathy As for your other comments #it'scalledcampaigni ng[/p][/quote]I think you have been misled. Wimbledon fans have been used to organising protests over the years. Why would we want to protest? A calm, rational and impartial planning hearing was held recently where all sides presented their case. AFC Wimbledon believe theirs is a strong one and (I'm told) it was noted that Taggart seemed to be trying to argue points that weren't for the hearing to decide. No reason for AFC Wimbledon or its supporters to do anything but sit and wait for a planning decision about Merton. We don't need to go stomping off to the Mayor to 'save our industry'. We just need to be clear we are Wimbledon supporters, from Wimbledon who want to see the club help revitalise an area that has gone dramatically downhill in the last 10-15 years ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -8

12:02am Thu 20 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

ShoelessJoe wrote:
So the Dog people's arguments seem to be:

Dog Racing is viable and Pascal Taggart's plans are viable:
If so why do the people who own the land not want a greyhound stadium there and why has greyhound stadium after stadium closed down without an obvious spike in attendances elsewhere? If Wimbledon is really London's last stadium (officially it isn't) why isn't is pulling in numbers to match?

A football stadium and housing is not viable because the land is flood plain:
If so, what makes a greyhound stadium and housing viable? How many greyhound meets at Plough Lane have been abandoned to flooding? What reason is there to think Wimbledon's plan will be any more affected that Taggart's?

Greyhound racing is more beneficial to the local community than the football club:
If so why has every pub and cafe near the stadium bar the Corner Pin closed down in the years since Wimbledon FC left Plough Lane, while cafe owners where Wimbledon currently play have been expanding premises and local pubs have been thriving?

And I note that their rentamob from the Racing Post are on here voting down any pro-Wimbledon comments, but I am yet to see any coherent arguments from them.

Yes I'm biased. I am a Wimbledon supporter of 35 years. Have lived within walking distance of the Stadium all that time, still do but have visited the Dogs less than 10 times. The vast majority of Merton residents are just not interested in the Dogs any more and haven't been for decades

That is fact. As is everything else above
So no greyhound people going to offer some facts to counter this? Just keep hitting the '-' buttons. You do realise without offering a sensible argument anyone neutral or undecided isn't going to believe you? Keep hitting those buttons like Taggart and the Racing Post tells you to....
[quote][p][bold]ShoelessJoe[/bold] wrote: So the Dog people's arguments seem to be: Dog Racing is viable and Pascal Taggart's plans are viable: If so why do the people who own the land not want a greyhound stadium there and why has greyhound stadium after stadium closed down without an obvious spike in attendances elsewhere? If Wimbledon is really London's last stadium (officially it isn't) why isn't is pulling in numbers to match? A football stadium and housing is not viable because the land is flood plain: If so, what makes a greyhound stadium and housing viable? How many greyhound meets at Plough Lane have been abandoned to flooding? What reason is there to think Wimbledon's plan will be any more affected that Taggart's? Greyhound racing is more beneficial to the local community than the football club: If so why has every pub and cafe near the stadium bar the Corner Pin closed down in the years since Wimbledon FC left Plough Lane, while cafe owners where Wimbledon currently play have been expanding premises and local pubs have been thriving? And I note that their rentamob from the Racing Post are on here voting down any pro-Wimbledon comments, but I am yet to see any coherent arguments from them. Yes I'm biased. I am a Wimbledon supporter of 35 years. Have lived within walking distance of the Stadium all that time, still do but have visited the Dogs less than 10 times. The vast majority of Merton residents are just not interested in the Dogs any more and haven't been for decades That is fact. As is everything else above[/p][/quote]So no greyhound people going to offer some facts to counter this? Just keep hitting the '-' buttons. You do realise without offering a sensible argument anyone neutral or undecided isn't going to believe you? Keep hitting those buttons like Taggart and the Racing Post tells you to.... ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -7

12:09am Thu 20 Feb 14

Binkyboots says...

ShoelessJoe wrote:
So the Dog people's arguments seem to be:

Dog Racing is viable and Pascal Taggart's plans are viable:
If so why do the people who own the land not want a greyhound stadium there and why has greyhound stadium after stadium closed down without an obvious spike in attendances elsewhere? If Wimbledon is really London's last stadium (officially it isn't) why isn't is pulling in numbers to match?

A football stadium and housing is not viable because the land is flood plain:
If so, what makes a greyhound stadium and housing viable? How many greyhound meets at Plough Lane have been abandoned to flooding? What reason is there to think Wimbledon's plan will be any more affected that Taggart's?

Greyhound racing is more beneficial to the local community than the football club:
If so why has every pub and cafe near the stadium bar the Corner Pin closed down in the years since Wimbledon FC left Plough Lane, while cafe owners where Wimbledon currently play have been expanding premises and local pubs have been thriving?

And I note that their rentamob from the Racing Post are on here voting down any pro-Wimbledon comments, but I am yet to see any coherent arguments from them.

Yes I'm biased. I am a Wimbledon supporter of 35 years. Have lived within walking distance of the Stadium all that time, still do but have visited the Dogs less than 10 times. The vast majority of Merton residents are just not interested in the Dogs any more and haven't been for decades

That is fact. As is everything else above
"The Inspector has issued 11 Main Modifications to Merton's Sites and Policies Plan. There are also a number of minor modifications (grammar, spelling, factual updates and clarity, most of which were submitted to the Inspector as Document SP4.3 in October 2013) The Inspector will consider comments on the 11 Main Modifications only and not on the plan as a whole or the minor modifications. The consultation will begin on Monday 24th February 2014 and will run for six weeks."
If the dog track isn't a specified modification, that would be very good news for us?
[quote][p][bold]ShoelessJoe[/bold] wrote: So the Dog people's arguments seem to be: Dog Racing is viable and Pascal Taggart's plans are viable: If so why do the people who own the land not want a greyhound stadium there and why has greyhound stadium after stadium closed down without an obvious spike in attendances elsewhere? If Wimbledon is really London's last stadium (officially it isn't) why isn't is pulling in numbers to match? A football stadium and housing is not viable because the land is flood plain: If so, what makes a greyhound stadium and housing viable? How many greyhound meets at Plough Lane have been abandoned to flooding? What reason is there to think Wimbledon's plan will be any more affected that Taggart's? Greyhound racing is more beneficial to the local community than the football club: If so why has every pub and cafe near the stadium bar the Corner Pin closed down in the years since Wimbledon FC left Plough Lane, while cafe owners where Wimbledon currently play have been expanding premises and local pubs have been thriving? And I note that their rentamob from the Racing Post are on here voting down any pro-Wimbledon comments, but I am yet to see any coherent arguments from them. Yes I'm biased. I am a Wimbledon supporter of 35 years. Have lived within walking distance of the Stadium all that time, still do but have visited the Dogs less than 10 times. The vast majority of Merton residents are just not interested in the Dogs any more and haven't been for decades That is fact. As is everything else above[/p][/quote]"The Inspector has issued 11 Main Modifications to Merton's Sites and Policies Plan. There are also a number of minor modifications (grammar, spelling, factual updates and clarity, most of which were submitted to the Inspector as Document SP4.3 in October 2013) The Inspector will consider comments on the 11 Main Modifications only and not on the plan as a whole or the minor modifications. The consultation will begin on Monday 24th February 2014 and will run for six weeks." If the dog track isn't a specified modification, that would be very good news for us? Binkyboots
  • Score: 6

1:45am Thu 20 Feb 14

al the taxi says...

as a big fan of both greyhound racing and afc Wimbledon,the big picture is which one benefits merton residents the most.the football club run so many excellent community schemes and would bring so much more value to local people than the dogs.as a cabbie in Wimbledon ,10 years ago i use to get lots of fares to the dog track,now I cant remember the last time I got a fare there.wimbledon dogs are dead.how many on the the city hall protest would be at the stadium every week.not many ,one would think.
as a big fan of both greyhound racing and afc Wimbledon,the big picture is which one benefits merton residents the most.the football club run so many excellent community schemes and would bring so much more value to local people than the dogs.as a cabbie in Wimbledon ,10 years ago i use to get lots of fares to the dog track,now I cant remember the last time I got a fare there.wimbledon dogs are dead.how many on the the city hall protest would be at the stadium every week.not many ,one would think. al the taxi
  • Score: -1

7:46am Thu 20 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

There was never a counter-protest organised Kevin, let alone a "much-vaunted" one. It's getting a bit frustrating asking you people for evidence all the time as you never have any, but can you show us any mention of this anywhere apart from vague speculation on your own forum? This is what I mean by living in your own bubble where you believe the most ridiculous nonsense. You invent a counter-demonstratio
n and then claim success when nobody turns up. You rig a poll on this website via an intensive worldwide appeal and actually believe it shows local support. You need to get a better grip on reality and recognise this issue will be settled on what is best for the local area and London and who will bring most to regeneration and community cohesion, not the economic interests of Irish breeders and nostalgia from doggers down under.
There was never a counter-protest organised Kevin, let alone a "much-vaunted" one. It's getting a bit frustrating asking you people for evidence all the time as you never have any, but can you show us any mention of this anywhere apart from vague speculation on your own forum? This is what I mean by living in your own bubble where you believe the most ridiculous nonsense. You invent a counter-demonstratio n and then claim success when nobody turns up. You rig a poll on this website via an intensive worldwide appeal and actually believe it shows local support. You need to get a better grip on reality and recognise this issue will be settled on what is best for the local area and London and who will bring most to regeneration and community cohesion, not the economic interests of Irish breeders and nostalgia from doggers down under. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -4

8:44am Thu 20 Feb 14

Cylon_Centurion says...

A dog track will not benefit the local community as much as a football stadium which will generate far more money for local businesses in the area and Wimbledon as a whole.

People of all cultures and all ages can enjoy watching a local football team and generate some pride in the borough.

I went to the Greyhounds late last year, it was one of the worst Saturday nights ever. Queue queue queue queue, didnt even get my free burger. It's a mess. No wonder it's dying.
A dog track will not benefit the local community as much as a football stadium which will generate far more money for local businesses in the area and Wimbledon as a whole. People of all cultures and all ages can enjoy watching a local football team and generate some pride in the borough. I went to the Greyhounds late last year, it was one of the worst Saturday nights ever. Queue queue queue queue, didnt even get my free burger. It's a mess. No wonder it's dying. Cylon_Centurion
  • Score: -6

9:17am Thu 20 Feb 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

I shall leave the last word to Floyd Amphlett (editor, Greyhound Star) who perfectly sums up the status of greyhounds among members of the racing fraternity:

“Greyhounds are property. It is the prerogative of any owner to dispose of his/her greyhound providing it is done in a humane way. End of!!"

Floyd Amphlett, Greyhound Star, May 2012, p. 35
I shall leave the last word to Floyd Amphlett (editor, Greyhound Star) who perfectly sums up the status of greyhounds among members of the racing fraternity: “Greyhounds are property. It is the prerogative of any owner to dispose of his/her greyhound providing it is done in a humane way. End of!!" Floyd Amphlett, Greyhound Star, May 2012, p. 35 Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: -8

9:32am Thu 20 Feb 14

Arthur Morris says...

Yeah, I'm done with this too. Just thanks to all the dog botherers from outside London and overseas for finally putting a bit of money into the local economy by boosting the Guardian's advertising income through all their visits.

Just reflect on this though, Kevin and others. You appear to think it's some sort of victory and smart PR to turn up in your hundreds and endorse any old unsupported garbage about AFC Wimbledon whilst downvoting comments that simply ask for evidence for your unsupported rants. But people aren't stupid and can make up their own minds about what is being posted. They will agree or disagree based on what's written, not on how many Australians click the thumbs down. All your 'campaigning' does is make the whole greyhound lobby look as idiotic and desperate as the people posting the comments. Carry on the good work.
Yeah, I'm done with this too. Just thanks to all the dog botherers from outside London and overseas for finally putting a bit of money into the local economy by boosting the Guardian's advertising income through all their visits. Just reflect on this though, Kevin and others. You appear to think it's some sort of victory and smart PR to turn up in your hundreds and endorse any old unsupported garbage about AFC Wimbledon whilst downvoting comments that simply ask for evidence for your unsupported rants. But people aren't stupid and can make up their own minds about what is being posted. They will agree or disagree based on what's written, not on how many Australians click the thumbs down. All your 'campaigning' does is make the whole greyhound lobby look as idiotic and desperate as the people posting the comments. Carry on the good work. Arthur Morris
  • Score: -7

9:35am Thu 20 Feb 14

Haydon Womble says...

Grey hound racing is not town locked. AFC Wimbledon are and Wimbledon is their only viable option. Football is England's national sport and will remain more viable in the longterm than dog racing. If the irish want a dog track, build one in Ireland or seeing as they have £60m to squander they can afford to build elsewhere in London. They might have history there but so does the fans of AFC Wimbledon. They call us arrogant but and I repeat these dog-racers are not town-locked like we are as we support Wimbledon and not any other town, so they have more options than we do, we only just have the one.

Bring the Dons back home to Plough Lane..
Grey hound racing is not town locked. AFC Wimbledon are and Wimbledon is their only viable option. Football is England's national sport and will remain more viable in the longterm than dog racing. If the irish want a dog track, build one in Ireland or seeing as they have £60m to squander they can afford to build elsewhere in London. They might have history there but so does the fans of AFC Wimbledon. They call us arrogant but and I repeat these dog-racers are not town-locked like we are as we support Wimbledon and not any other town, so they have more options than we do, we only just have the one. Bring the Dons back home to Plough Lane.. Haydon Womble
  • Score: -6

9:40am Thu 20 Feb 14

Haydon Womble says...

@Arthur Morris.
I agree with the double-votings. I saw that going on in a recent poll. AFC Wimbledon were leading all the way by a huge margin, until the final day when there was an unusual surge in activity voting for the dog track.

Online polls are meaningless.
@Arthur Morris. I agree with the double-votings. I saw that going on in a recent poll. AFC Wimbledon were leading all the way by a huge margin, until the final day when there was an unusual surge in activity voting for the dog track. Online polls are meaningless. Haydon Womble
  • Score: -6

10:30am Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

Zoon still copying and pasting, pity can think for his/her self.

Haydon, dog racing is not townlocked, but neither is your football club that was born and plays outside of Wdon. Your fans did not support it enough to keep it there before, so you think a few thousand will change matters now. The odds are far greater you'll be relegated to non leage than be able to muster even 7000 regular home support regardless of whether you have an oversized new stadium that a property developer will build for you and pay for.

Jobs will be created by a new stadium whether football or dogs. Those that say it's a dump currently are right but it's been purposly run down, (to close and obtain housing planning permission, as virtually all over closed dog stadiums have) but you dont seem to be able to grasp this very basic action, sadly

And A M, nothing will be decided on what is or is not said on here or even what is for the good of the community. In the real world it will be decided by money, who is going to develop and what, votes for local concillors and how the approvals that are required are obtained. If you think anything else, then you are naiive.
Zoon still copying and pasting, pity can think for his/her self. Haydon, dog racing is not townlocked, but neither is your football club that was born and plays outside of Wdon. Your fans did not support it enough to keep it there before, so you think a few thousand will change matters now. The odds are far greater you'll be relegated to non leage than be able to muster even 7000 regular home support regardless of whether you have an oversized new stadium that a property developer will build for you and pay for. Jobs will be created by a new stadium whether football or dogs. Those that say it's a dump currently are right but it's been purposly run down, (to close and obtain housing planning permission, as virtually all over closed dog stadiums have) but you dont seem to be able to grasp this very basic action, sadly And A M, nothing will be decided on what is or is not said on here or even what is for the good of the community. In the real world it will be decided by money, who is going to develop and what, votes for local concillors and how the approvals that are required are obtained. If you think anything else, then you are naiive. field walker
  • Score: 4

10:41am Thu 20 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

field walker wrote:
Zoon still copying and pasting, pity can think for his/her self.

Haydon, dog racing is not townlocked, but neither is your football club that was born and plays outside of Wdon. Your fans did not support it enough to keep it there before, so you think a few thousand will change matters now. The odds are far greater you'll be relegated to non leage than be able to muster even 7000 regular home support regardless of whether you have an oversized new stadium that a property developer will build for you and pay for.

Jobs will be created by a new stadium whether football or dogs. Those that say it's a dump currently are right but it's been purposly run down, (to close and obtain housing planning permission, as virtually all over closed dog stadiums have) but you dont seem to be able to grasp this very basic action, sadly

And A M, nothing will be decided on what is or is not said on here or even what is for the good of the community. In the real world it will be decided by money, who is going to develop and what, votes for local concillors and how the approvals that are required are obtained. If you think anything else, then you are naiive.
It's called quoting and referencing sources and is an important part of any debate.

You can't argue with the facts that are being posted, you only seem to be able to complain about the fact that they ARE posted.

What an odd line to take
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Zoon still copying and pasting, pity can think for his/her self. Haydon, dog racing is not townlocked, but neither is your football club that was born and plays outside of Wdon. Your fans did not support it enough to keep it there before, so you think a few thousand will change matters now. The odds are far greater you'll be relegated to non leage than be able to muster even 7000 regular home support regardless of whether you have an oversized new stadium that a property developer will build for you and pay for. Jobs will be created by a new stadium whether football or dogs. Those that say it's a dump currently are right but it's been purposly run down, (to close and obtain housing planning permission, as virtually all over closed dog stadiums have) but you dont seem to be able to grasp this very basic action, sadly And A M, nothing will be decided on what is or is not said on here or even what is for the good of the community. In the real world it will be decided by money, who is going to develop and what, votes for local concillors and how the approvals that are required are obtained. If you think anything else, then you are naiive.[/p][/quote]It's called quoting and referencing sources and is an important part of any debate. You can't argue with the facts that are being posted, you only seem to be able to complain about the fact that they ARE posted. What an odd line to take ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -9

10:59am Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

much being posted are people's views or copy and pastes of people sometimes overseas views on matters they know little about, they are not facts. and moreso the Anti's they are stating all sorts of garbage but when asked to name names or evidence they go quiet, much of their nonsense websites and videos are inaccurate, unproven or out of context or all three...as Ive stated (with examples) in some of my posts.

I have sympathy with the AFC argument, but in the end it will be about who has the money(power) to get what they want.
much being posted are people's views or copy and pastes of people sometimes overseas views on matters they know little about, they are not facts. and moreso the Anti's they are stating all sorts of garbage but when asked to name names or evidence they go quiet, much of their nonsense websites and videos are inaccurate, unproven or out of context or all three...as Ive stated (with examples) in some of my posts. I have sympathy with the AFC argument, but in the end it will be about who has the money(power) to get what they want. field walker
  • Score: 9

11:13am Thu 20 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Quote; “Greyhounds are property. It is the prerogative of any owner to dispose of his/her greyhound providing it is done in a humane way. End of!!"

Floyd Amphlett, Greyhound Star, May 2012, p. 35

Floyd Amphlett's opinion is quite superfluous has he also lives off of the back of the greyhound. What is interesting about Floyd, he only paid lip service to the welfare of the greyhound until he was shrewd enough to see what damage the greyhound industry were doing to their cause by treating the hound so badly. He then brought greyhound welfare into the greyhound star to try and level the playing field. However, it became too little too late. The sport is doomed, get over it...
Quote; “Greyhounds are property. It is the prerogative of any owner to dispose of his/her greyhound providing it is done in a humane way. End of!!" Floyd Amphlett, Greyhound Star, May 2012, p. 35 Floyd Amphlett's opinion is quite superfluous has he also lives off of the back of the greyhound. What is interesting about Floyd, he only paid lip service to the welfare of the greyhound until he was shrewd enough to see what damage the greyhound industry were doing to their cause by treating the hound so badly. He then brought greyhound welfare into the greyhound star to try and level the playing field. However, it became too little too late. The sport is doomed, get over it... Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -14

11:21am Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

greyhoundlover, more copy and paste, and yet again from you a copy and paste of someone elses copy and paste. Pretty desperate..

Your points - are your opinion only or someone that has told you this is your opinion, and pointless.

I think you and your ignorant scaremongering buddies with your nonsense bolt gun talk and complaining about cold weather when it's 12C and dry, need some new material. I'm sure you'll copy and paste it when you're told what to paste and when
greyhoundlover, more copy and paste, and yet again from you a copy and paste of someone elses copy and paste. Pretty desperate.. Your points - are your opinion only or someone that has told you this is your opinion, and pointless. I think you and your ignorant scaremongering buddies with your nonsense bolt gun talk and complaining about cold weather when it's 12C and dry, need some new material. I'm sure you'll copy and paste it when you're told what to paste and when field walker
  • Score: 7

11:47am Thu 20 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

How's cloud cuckoo land this morning?
How's cloud cuckoo land this morning? Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -7

11:48am Thu 20 Feb 14

Steve Womble says...

bodon prifiz wrote:
There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!!
The official police quote was 600-700 people, I was there and to say there were only 50 is just a downright lie. As for some of them not being residents of Merton, they still bring a lot of revenue into the borough, and help keep jobs available for local people.
[quote][p][bold]bodon prifiz[/bold] wrote: There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!![/p][/quote]The official police quote was 600-700 people, I was there and to say there were only 50 is just a downright lie. As for some of them not being residents of Merton, they still bring a lot of revenue into the borough, and help keep jobs available for local people. Steve Womble
  • Score: 9

11:55am Thu 20 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

field walker wrote:
much being posted are people's views or copy and pastes of people sometimes overseas views on matters they know little about, they are not facts. and moreso the Anti's they are stating all sorts of garbage but when asked to name names or evidence they go quiet, much of their nonsense websites and videos are inaccurate, unproven or out of context or all three...as Ive stated (with examples) in some of my posts.

I have sympathy with the AFC argument, but in the end it will be about who has the money(power) to get what they want.
http://www.lovegreyh
ounds.co.uk/hallofsh
ame.php#


very interesting reading of how much the trainers love their dogs. you can click the thumbs all you want but the protest against this cruel "sport" is getting bigger and bigger. you might want to start writing a CV for when you have to get a proper job!!
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: much being posted are people's views or copy and pastes of people sometimes overseas views on matters they know little about, they are not facts. and moreso the Anti's they are stating all sorts of garbage but when asked to name names or evidence they go quiet, much of their nonsense websites and videos are inaccurate, unproven or out of context or all three...as Ive stated (with examples) in some of my posts. I have sympathy with the AFC argument, but in the end it will be about who has the money(power) to get what they want.[/p][/quote]http://www.lovegreyh ounds.co.uk/hallofsh ame.php# very interesting reading of how much the trainers love their dogs. you can click the thumbs all you want but the protest against this cruel "sport" is getting bigger and bigger. you might want to start writing a CV for when you have to get a proper job!! lovemygrey
  • Score: -13

12:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

copy and paste.
copy and paste. field walker
  • Score: 6

12:16pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

field walker wrote:
copy and paste.
says it all, you can not argue with the facts from that website, PROVEN cases of cruelty from a pro racing page.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: copy and paste.[/p][/quote]says it all, you can not argue with the facts from that website, PROVEN cases of cruelty from a pro racing page. lovemygrey
  • Score: -8

12:33pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

stick to bullfighting lovemygrey, you may be more convincing.
stick to bullfighting lovemygrey, you may be more convincing. field walker
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

field walker wrote:
stick to bullfighting lovemygrey, you may be more convincing.
lol you are not getting off that easy, come back and discredit what I posted!! you won't because you can't jog on loser
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: stick to bullfighting lovemygrey, you may be more convincing.[/p][/quote]lol you are not getting off that easy, come back and discredit what I posted!! you won't because you can't jog on loser lovemygrey
  • Score: -8

1:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

co2 says...

bodon prifiz wrote:
There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!!
you are spreading so many lies,look at this video i think it shows you are either struggling to count or more likely telling as many lies as possible to attempt to discredit greyhound racing

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=nSfB8_YsE
Tg&feature=player_em
bedded
[quote][p][bold]bodon prifiz[/bold] wrote: There was NOT! hundreds of people there! The person who wrote this piece I suspect was not there. My husband works very close, he said there was around 50+ only & some of those parked illegally!! (one person even had their dogs not safely contained in back of car) & being right by the riverside, where it was freezing, those poor dogs were not 'coated' for the occasion. The majority of those attending was also not Merton residents, why should the have a say?? Greyhound racing is not a sport.. Bring back football, at least they have a choice!!![/p][/quote]you are spreading so many lies,look at this video i think it shows you are either struggling to count or more likely telling as many lies as possible to attempt to discredit greyhound racing http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=nSfB8_YsE Tg&feature=player_em bedded co2
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

co2 - I agree lots of lies, didnt exactly look sub zero temperatures does it...massive absence of credibility from the Anti's

lovemygrey calling me a loser, lol, this is a very adult address from you I think not. I am bored of your puerile adolescent drivel & fabricated out of context nonsense. This article is about Wimbledon. In case you're not aware Wimbledon is SW17, London, England
co2 - I agree lots of lies, didnt exactly look sub zero temperatures does it...massive absence of credibility from the Anti's lovemygrey calling me a loser, lol, this is a very adult address from you I think not. I am bored of your puerile adolescent drivel & fabricated out of context nonsense. This article is about Wimbledon. In case you're not aware Wimbledon is SW17, London, England field walker
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

field walker wrote:
co2 - I agree lots of lies, didnt exactly look sub zero temperatures does it...massive absence of credibility from the Anti's

lovemygrey calling me a loser, lol, this is a very adult address from you I think not. I am bored of your puerile adolescent drivel & fabricated out of context nonsense. This article is about Wimbledon. In case you're not aware Wimbledon is SW17, London, England
I have posted a website you choose to ignore because it's there in black and white named and shamed trainers who have drugged dogs, etc from a pro racing website, and the outcome from the GBGB (greyhound board of Great Britain for those who don't know) you can not deny it and try to just try to ignore it. I know exactly where Wimbledon is, have been there a few times for football, I wouldn't lower myself to go to the track. As my name says I love my grey, he is currently doing what greyhounds love best roaching on the sofa next to me not in a grubby little kennel alone.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: co2 - I agree lots of lies, didnt exactly look sub zero temperatures does it...massive absence of credibility from the Anti's lovemygrey calling me a loser, lol, this is a very adult address from you I think not. I am bored of your puerile adolescent drivel & fabricated out of context nonsense. This article is about Wimbledon. In case you're not aware Wimbledon is SW17, London, England[/p][/quote]I have posted a website you choose to ignore because it's there in black and white named and shamed trainers who have drugged dogs, etc from a pro racing website, and the outcome from the GBGB (greyhound board of Great Britain for those who don't know) you can not deny it and try to just try to ignore it. I know exactly where Wimbledon is, have been there a few times for football, I wouldn't lower myself to go to the track. As my name says I love my grey, he is currently doing what greyhounds love best roaching on the sofa next to me not in a grubby little kennel alone. lovemygrey
  • Score: -12

1:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Greyhound racing is doomed, there is now just the dregs to soak up. Will the last person leaving Wimbledon Greyhound Stadium please turn the lights out.
Greyhound racing is doomed, there is now just the dregs to soak up. Will the last person leaving Wimbledon Greyhound Stadium please turn the lights out. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -12

1:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Heartland66 says...

Merton Parka wrote:
People flew in from Ireland and travelled from all over the UK yet they still only fot a few hundred people!?

Nice local issue affecting the local community then.
I think this issue should not be discussed in a divisive manner between Football and Greyhound racing as there is no natural or necessary opposition between the two.

While Football clubs and stadia are located all over the country, and the city of London for that matter, Wimbledon Greyhound stadium has been here for almost a century now and has become UKs major stadium since obtaining the right to hold the sports greatest event - the Greyhound Derby.

It is true that the sport, in terms of popularity and attendance, has well passed its heights and has shown a steady decline through the last 3 decades. However there are also success stories of well refurbished or newly built stadia, e.g.Peterborough being a great success even without the genius loci Wimbledon offers. The reduced total number of stadia and consequently Greyhounds bred for racing can be taken as a vital consolidation with welfare now on a much improved standard.

There are thousands of Greyhound followers who support Greyhound racing to stay at Wimbledon stadium, there is a credible investor in Paschal Taggart fully behind building world class facilities, there will be even more people travelling from all over the world to visit the stadium, particularly for the Greyhound Derby. There is no need to compare this enterprise with Wimbledon AFC who most certainly can find a new spot somewhere else in the council without pushing away a great peice of tradition and heritage.

best regards, Tomas
[quote][p][bold]Merton Parka[/bold] wrote: People flew in from Ireland and travelled from all over the UK yet they still only fot a few hundred people!? Nice local issue affecting the local community then.[/p][/quote]I think this issue should not be discussed in a divisive manner between Football and Greyhound racing as there is no natural or necessary opposition between the two. While Football clubs and stadia are located all over the country, and the city of London for that matter, Wimbledon Greyhound stadium has been here for almost a century now and has become UKs major stadium since obtaining the right to hold the sports greatest event - the Greyhound Derby. It is true that the sport, in terms of popularity and attendance, has well passed its heights and has shown a steady decline through the last 3 decades. However there are also success stories of well refurbished or newly built stadia, e.g.Peterborough being a great success even without the genius loci Wimbledon offers. The reduced total number of stadia and consequently Greyhounds bred for racing can be taken as a vital consolidation with welfare now on a much improved standard. There are thousands of Greyhound followers who support Greyhound racing to stay at Wimbledon stadium, there is a credible investor in Paschal Taggart fully behind building world class facilities, there will be even more people travelling from all over the world to visit the stadium, particularly for the Greyhound Derby. There is no need to compare this enterprise with Wimbledon AFC who most certainly can find a new spot somewhere else in the council without pushing away a great peice of tradition and heritage. best regards, Tomas Heartland66
  • Score: 8

5:30pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

Merton Parka wrote:
Having followed the local issues closely, AFCW have submitted their plan and kept a dignified silence by letting the planning inspector’s process run its course. All documents are on the Merton website to be read, digested and informed opinions to be made.

The Doggers however, continue to contradict themselves and spout near libellous nonsense.

AFCW returning home will have a major positive impact on its local community by continuing to run its award winning community scheme. Community and fans is AFCW’s raison d’etre.

That’s my opinion being located locally and that’s without even looking into the controversies in way dogs are (mis)treated for sport/gambling.
AFC Wimbledon cannot return home as they never played in the area! The real Wimbledon FC is dead and buried. MK Dons would have more of a claim to the area and even that is stretching it. The real Wimbledon fc had a limit of 6,000 at plough lane and even when sharing Selhurst they had pitiful support.
Considering the redevelopment is supposed to be based on intesification of sport, why a shared venue for bangers, dogs and football couldn't have been done is beyond me. The whole thing stinks.
[quote][p][bold]Merton Parka[/bold] wrote: Having followed the local issues closely, AFCW have submitted their plan and kept a dignified silence by letting the planning inspector’s process run its course. All documents are on the Merton website to be read, digested and informed opinions to be made. The Doggers however, continue to contradict themselves and spout near libellous nonsense. AFCW returning home will have a major positive impact on its local community by continuing to run its award winning community scheme. Community and fans is AFCW’s raison d’etre. That’s my opinion being located locally and that’s without even looking into the controversies in way dogs are (mis)treated for sport/gambling.[/p][/quote]AFC Wimbledon cannot return home as they never played in the area! The real Wimbledon FC is dead and buried. MK Dons would have more of a claim to the area and even that is stretching it. The real Wimbledon fc had a limit of 6,000 at plough lane and even when sharing Selhurst they had pitiful support. Considering the redevelopment is supposed to be based on intesification of sport, why a shared venue for bangers, dogs and football couldn't have been done is beyond me. The whole thing stinks. Ilusions
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

Merton Parka wrote:
Having followed the local issues closely, AFCW have submitted their plan and kept a dignified silence by letting the planning inspector’s process run its course. All documents are on the Merton website to be read, digested and informed opinions to be made.

The Doggers however, continue to contradict themselves and spout near libellous nonsense.

AFCW returning home will have a major positive impact on its local community by continuing to run its award winning community scheme. Community and fans is AFCW’s raison d’etre.

That’s my opinion being located locally and that’s without even looking into the controversies in way dogs are (mis)treated for sport/gambling.
Everyone is ignoring the other sport in all this which now loses come what may, stock car racing! It has been based at the stadium since 1962. We are a small sport and simply do not have the money or the resources to contend with the scum money men who run football. Wimbledon to stock car racing is like what Wembley is to England FC but because we don't have the money we are being pushed out with no say.
Whatever you thikn about greyhound racing, I am reading a lot of misinformation and downright lies on here by the anti racing lot. AFC Wimbledon are only too keen to take away another sports home to fulfill what they see as a right to be in Plough Lane. Shameful stuff from a club who really should no better. Money talks and the money in football is obscene.
[quote][p][bold]Merton Parka[/bold] wrote: Having followed the local issues closely, AFCW have submitted their plan and kept a dignified silence by letting the planning inspector’s process run its course. All documents are on the Merton website to be read, digested and informed opinions to be made. The Doggers however, continue to contradict themselves and spout near libellous nonsense. AFCW returning home will have a major positive impact on its local community by continuing to run its award winning community scheme. Community and fans is AFCW’s raison d’etre. That’s my opinion being located locally and that’s without even looking into the controversies in way dogs are (mis)treated for sport/gambling.[/p][/quote]Everyone is ignoring the other sport in all this which now loses come what may, stock car racing! It has been based at the stadium since 1962. We are a small sport and simply do not have the money or the resources to contend with the scum money men who run football. Wimbledon to stock car racing is like what Wembley is to England FC but because we don't have the money we are being pushed out with no say. Whatever you thikn about greyhound racing, I am reading a lot of misinformation and downright lies on here by the anti racing lot. AFC Wimbledon are only too keen to take away another sports home to fulfill what they see as a right to be in Plough Lane. Shameful stuff from a club who really should no better. Money talks and the money in football is obscene. Ilusions
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Thu 20 Feb 14

bishbosh says...

We all know the antis lie a lot about things they claim to have seen and make many unsubstantiated comments and criticisms of a sport they really know very little about. There is good and bad in all walks of life. I was at the gathering and counted at least 450. The whole event was well organised and went off respectfully. Wimbledon FC was a financially failed football club apart from the crazy gang era. They could not must 20 thousand then. Now split up what planet are they on to think they could support an 11 thousand capacity stadium.
We all know the antis lie a lot about things they claim to have seen and make many unsubstantiated comments and criticisms of a sport they really know very little about. There is good and bad in all walks of life. I was at the gathering and counted at least 450. The whole event was well organised and went off respectfully. Wimbledon FC was a financially failed football club apart from the crazy gang era. They could not must 20 thousand then. Now split up what planet are they on to think they could support an 11 thousand capacity stadium. bishbosh
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now
'in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport'

Pointless comparison. Some years ago now, around 4 I think, 3/4 of Wimbledon stadium was closed due to building safety concerns. The owners (the very people afc are getting into bed with) have let the place go to ruin since they took over in 2005. The owners of Wimbledon also owned other tracks including Oxford and Portsmouth before closing them and putting them up for development. When a sport is losing it's infrastructure at a rate like that, how can it survive?
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now[/p][/quote]'in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport' Pointless comparison. Some years ago now, around 4 I think, 3/4 of Wimbledon stadium was closed due to building safety concerns. The owners (the very people afc are getting into bed with) have let the place go to ruin since they took over in 2005. The owners of Wimbledon also owned other tracks including Oxford and Portsmouth before closing them and putting them up for development. When a sport is losing it's infrastructure at a rate like that, how can it survive? Ilusions
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

bishbosh says...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=nSfB8_Ys
ETg

any other antis doubting the numbers and mood of the day of passion should see this.
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=nSfB8_Ys ETg any other antis doubting the numbers and mood of the day of passion should see this. bishbosh
  • Score: 7

6:08pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

Arthur Morris wrote:
field walker wrote:
Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs.

If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC.

I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this
This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters...

GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM.

Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?
Galliard DO NOT have to build a football stadium to get planning permission; they have to incorporate 'sporting intensification'.

Originally, three broad outline plans were submitted.

• Galliard wanted to build 100% housing.
• AFC Wimbledon wanted to build a football stadium and some housing.
• Taggart et al wanted to build a greyhound stadium and some housing.

Galliard were soon knocked back on their approach and the council told them, it needs some sporting intensification. The key point there is that they didn't specify what sort of sporting intensification. Taggart et al really missed the boat then because that's when they should have immediately got into talks with Galliard to form a partnership. Maybe they tried, but Galliard preferred AFC Wimbledon's (seemingly more professional) approach to things?
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Morris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs. If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC. I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this[/p][/quote]This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters... GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM. Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?[/p][/quote]Galliard DO NOT have to build a football stadium to get planning permission; they have to incorporate 'sporting intensification'. Originally, three broad outline plans were submitted. • Galliard wanted to build 100% housing. • AFC Wimbledon wanted to build a football stadium and some housing. • Taggart et al wanted to build a greyhound stadium and some housing. Galliard were soon knocked back on their approach and the council told them, it needs some sporting intensification. The key point there is that they didn't specify what sort of sporting intensification. Taggart et al really missed the boat then because that's when they should have immediately got into talks with Galliard to form a partnership. Maybe they tried, but Galliard preferred AFC Wimbledon's (seemingly more professional) approach to things? rob_c
  • Score: 5

6:11pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey! rob_c
  • Score: 8

6:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-209

68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home
It's not quite as clear cut as that. When betting reform happened in the 1960s, the Greyhound Racing Association actually transformed itself from a gaming company into a property portfolio company by applying for planning permission on its own greyhound sites.
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-209 68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home[/p][/quote]It's not quite as clear cut as that. When betting reform happened in the 1960s, the Greyhound Racing Association actually transformed itself from a gaming company into a property portfolio company by applying for planning permission on its own greyhound sites. rob_c
  • Score: 7

6:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

blenki1 wrote:
must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community.
Has anybody actually thought why not do both?
Then everyone wins :)
Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs.

Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o(
[quote][p][bold]blenki1[/bold] wrote: must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community. Has anybody actually thought why not do both? Then everyone wins :)[/p][/quote]Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs. Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o( rob_c
  • Score: -5

6:52pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-209

68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home
The owners of Wimbledon (who own various other tracks) are in a shed load of debt, so any way they can service this vast debt quicker is the chosen route. Hence selling off a lot of their tracks. Wimbledon and other tracks are in decline because people who have no care or interest in the sport took it over to make a quick buck on rising land values.
If greyhounds are not viable, please explain why Crayford, Romford and Hove are in business?
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-209 68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home[/p][/quote]The owners of Wimbledon (who own various other tracks) are in a shed load of debt, so any way they can service this vast debt quicker is the chosen route. Hence selling off a lot of their tracks. Wimbledon and other tracks are in decline because people who have no care or interest in the sport took it over to make a quick buck on rising land values. If greyhounds are not viable, please explain why Crayford, Romford and Hove are in business? Ilusions
  • Score: 6

6:54pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Greyhound and death.
Greyhound and death. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -4

6:58pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

Ilusions wrote:
cheshire_womble wrote:
Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now
'in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport'

Pointless comparison. Some years ago now, around 4 I think, 3/4 of Wimbledon stadium was closed due to building safety concerns. The owners (the very people afc are getting into bed with) have let the place go to ruin since they took over in 2005. The owners of Wimbledon also owned other tracks including Oxford and Portsmouth before closing them and putting them up for development. When a sport is losing it's infrastructure at a rate like that, how can it survive?
so a constant decline over 10+ years is due to closure of part of the stadium around 2010? the new owners took over the site in 2005, the decliune in greyuhound racing was / is in full swing, but the decline in crowds from 2000 to 1000 was due to 75% of the stadium being closed several years later? that makes no sense, typical of the pro greyhound arguments
[quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now[/p][/quote]'in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport' Pointless comparison. Some years ago now, around 4 I think, 3/4 of Wimbledon stadium was closed due to building safety concerns. The owners (the very people afc are getting into bed with) have let the place go to ruin since they took over in 2005. The owners of Wimbledon also owned other tracks including Oxford and Portsmouth before closing them and putting them up for development. When a sport is losing it's infrastructure at a rate like that, how can it survive?[/p][/quote]so a constant decline over 10+ years is due to closure of part of the stadium around 2010? the new owners took over the site in 2005, the decliune in greyuhound racing was / is in full swing, but the decline in crowds from 2000 to 1000 was due to 75% of the stadium being closed several years later? that makes no sense, typical of the pro greyhound arguments cheshire_womble
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

Ilusions wrote:
cheshire_womble wrote:
ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/uk-england-209


68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home
The owners of Wimbledon (who own various other tracks) are in a shed load of debt, so any way they can service this vast debt quicker is the chosen route. Hence selling off a lot of their tracks. Wimbledon and other tracks are in decline because people who have no care or interest in the sport took it over to make a quick buck on rising land values.
If greyhounds are not viable, please explain why Crayford, Romford and Hove are in business?
It might be an idea not to mention how successful Crayford and Romford are, given that they're inside the Mayor of London's catchment area, too!
[quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: ok, so some greyhound stadiums have been sold to property developers, at the end of the day, think of it like this, if greyhound tracks were viable money making/profitable outlets, would the land owners be so keen to sell? i doubt it, there were once 77 greyhounds tracks in uk, attendances of 50,000, wimbledon attracted 100,000 in 2012, think about it, at its peak 50,000 people at 1 meeting, now wimbledon gets just over double that in total in over 100 race days, its a dying sport http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-209 68535 - stop trying to delay the inevitable, if you build a new greyhound facxility on at plough lane, it might attract higher crowds for a bit as a novelty value, but within 10 years it would be back in decline. greyhound racing is dying a death - good riddance, lets bring the dons home[/p][/quote]The owners of Wimbledon (who own various other tracks) are in a shed load of debt, so any way they can service this vast debt quicker is the chosen route. Hence selling off a lot of their tracks. Wimbledon and other tracks are in decline because people who have no care or interest in the sport took it over to make a quick buck on rising land values. If greyhounds are not viable, please explain why Crayford, Romford and Hove are in business?[/p][/quote]It might be an idea not to mention how successful Crayford and Romford are, given that they're inside the Mayor of London's catchment area, too! rob_c
  • Score: 1

7:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

rob_c wrote:
Arthur Morris wrote:
field walker wrote:
Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs.

If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC.

I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this
This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters...

GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM.

Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?
Galliard DO NOT have to build a football stadium to get planning permission; they have to incorporate 'sporting intensification'.

Originally, three broad outline plans were submitted.

• Galliard wanted to build 100% housing.
• AFC Wimbledon wanted to build a football stadium and some housing.
• Taggart et al wanted to build a greyhound stadium and some housing.

Galliard were soon knocked back on their approach and the council told them, it needs some sporting intensification. The key point there is that they didn't specify what sort of sporting intensification. Taggart et al really missed the boat then because that's when they should have immediately got into talks with Galliard to form a partnership. Maybe they tried, but Galliard preferred AFC Wimbledon's (seemingly more professional) approach to things?
More professional? This is the same football club who submitted their plans late to the council. The same club who are only too happy to displace two sports already using the track, greyhounds and stock cars? AFC have been eyed up by Merton Council for a long time now even to the point where they have openly said they support afc having Plough Lane. Anyone else stands no chance against such bias.The club and council have acted awfully throughout.
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Morris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs. If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC. I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this[/p][/quote]This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters... GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM. Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?[/p][/quote]Galliard DO NOT have to build a football stadium to get planning permission; they have to incorporate 'sporting intensification'. Originally, three broad outline plans were submitted. • Galliard wanted to build 100% housing. • AFC Wimbledon wanted to build a football stadium and some housing. • Taggart et al wanted to build a greyhound stadium and some housing. Galliard were soon knocked back on their approach and the council told them, it needs some sporting intensification. The key point there is that they didn't specify what sort of sporting intensification. Taggart et al really missed the boat then because that's when they should have immediately got into talks with Galliard to form a partnership. Maybe they tried, but Galliard preferred AFC Wimbledon's (seemingly more professional) approach to things?[/p][/quote]More professional? This is the same football club who submitted their plans late to the council. The same club who are only too happy to displace two sports already using the track, greyhounds and stock cars? AFC have been eyed up by Merton Council for a long time now even to the point where they have openly said they support afc having Plough Lane. Anyone else stands no chance against such bias.The club and council have acted awfully throughout. Ilusions
  • Score: -2

7:04pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon, why the obsession by afc to play there and only there? Surely slightly more to the West would suit them, like in the borough they claim to represent?
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon, why the obsession by afc to play there and only there? Surely slightly more to the West would suit them, like in the borough they claim to represent? Ilusions
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

rob_c wrote:
blenki1 wrote:
must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community.
Has anybody actually thought why not do both?
Then everyone wins :)
Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs.

Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o(
There is plenty of room, just no will to do it. You could easily incorporate a football field with greyhound and stock car track running around the edge. There are quite a few setups like this in the UK that work perfectly well. Money and greed however ruins it.
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blenki1[/bold] wrote: must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community. Has anybody actually thought why not do both? Then everyone wins :)[/p][/quote]Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs. Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o([/p][/quote]There is plenty of room, just no will to do it. You could easily incorporate a football field with greyhound and stock car track running around the edge. There are quite a few setups like this in the UK that work perfectly well. Money and greed however ruins it. Ilusions
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

Ilusions wrote:
rob_c wrote:
Arthur Morris wrote:
field walker wrote:
Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs.

If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC.

I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this
This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters...

GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM.

Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?
Galliard DO NOT have to build a football stadium to get planning permission; they have to incorporate 'sporting intensification'.

Originally, three broad outline plans were submitted.

• Galliard wanted to build 100% housing.
• AFC Wimbledon wanted to build a football stadium and some housing.
• Taggart et al wanted to build a greyhound stadium and some housing.

Galliard were soon knocked back on their approach and the council told them, it needs some sporting intensification. The key point there is that they didn't specify what sort of sporting intensification. Taggart et al really missed the boat then because that's when they should have immediately got into talks with Galliard to form a partnership. Maybe they tried, but Galliard preferred AFC Wimbledon's (seemingly more professional) approach to things?
More professional? This is the same football club who submitted their plans late to the council. The same club who are only too happy to displace two sports already using the track, greyhounds and stock cars? AFC have been eyed up by Merton Council for a long time now even to the point where they have openly said they support afc having Plough Lane. Anyone else stands no chance against such bias.The club and council have acted awfully throughout.
Merton Council councillors have voted to support the club's return to the borough, they have not named a specific site. Council officers have held meetings with AFC Wimbledon to talk through certain issues; this sort of service is available to all prospective planning applicants, indeed they advocate it in order to 'iron out' any potential pitfalls before an application is made. I would presume that Taggart et al have availed themselves of the same service; if not, why not?

Regarding deadlines, my recollection is that the club's submission was in on time and it was then followed up by further documents, just as Taggart's submission was also followed up afterwards by further documents (even to the extent of 'springing' documents onto the Planning Inspector on the day of the hearing, which seemed to earn his displeasure).
[quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Morris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Arthur Morris, I am aware of numbers I quoted, I said 2/3000 i upped range by thousand because I thought there might be some pedantic individual quiblling over a few hundred. Essentially it was contrasting with the tens of thousands at home games at London Premiership clubs. If you think Galliard preferred option is to build a football stadium on that precious land that housing could go on, you have another think coming...This what they say now, I'd not pin your hopes on the final outcome/end game being beneficial to AFC. I am a supporter of a poor League 1 club, they too have no money, and yet they are not surrounded by Premiership teams that take their catchment area...unfortunately AFC do not have strong financial position and cannot therefore call the shots. Galliard aware of this[/p][/quote]This is obviously a struggle for you, so in large letters... GALLIARD WILL NOT GET PLANNING PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UNLESS THEY ALSO BUILD A FOOTBALL STADIUM. Of course they'd rather not build a stadium but they don't have a choice. Have you seriously never heard of enabling development?[/p][/quote]Galliard DO NOT have to build a football stadium to get planning permission; they have to incorporate 'sporting intensification'. Originally, three broad outline plans were submitted. • Galliard wanted to build 100% housing. • AFC Wimbledon wanted to build a football stadium and some housing. • Taggart et al wanted to build a greyhound stadium and some housing. Galliard were soon knocked back on their approach and the council told them, it needs some sporting intensification. The key point there is that they didn't specify what sort of sporting intensification. Taggart et al really missed the boat then because that's when they should have immediately got into talks with Galliard to form a partnership. Maybe they tried, but Galliard preferred AFC Wimbledon's (seemingly more professional) approach to things?[/p][/quote]More professional? This is the same football club who submitted their plans late to the council. The same club who are only too happy to displace two sports already using the track, greyhounds and stock cars? AFC have been eyed up by Merton Council for a long time now even to the point where they have openly said they support afc having Plough Lane. Anyone else stands no chance against such bias.The club and council have acted awfully throughout.[/p][/quote]Merton Council councillors have voted to support the club's return to the borough, they have not named a specific site. Council officers have held meetings with AFC Wimbledon to talk through certain issues; this sort of service is available to all prospective planning applicants, indeed they advocate it in order to 'iron out' any potential pitfalls before an application is made. I would presume that Taggart et al have availed themselves of the same service; if not, why not? Regarding deadlines, my recollection is that the club's submission was in on time and it was then followed up by further documents, just as Taggart's submission was also followed up afterwards by further documents (even to the extent of 'springing' documents onto the Planning Inspector on the day of the hearing, which seemed to earn his displeasure). rob_c
  • Score: 5

7:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
Ilusions wrote:
cheshire_womble wrote:
Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now
'in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport'

Pointless comparison. Some years ago now, around 4 I think, 3/4 of Wimbledon stadium was closed due to building safety concerns. The owners (the very people afc are getting into bed with) have let the place go to ruin since they took over in 2005. The owners of Wimbledon also owned other tracks including Oxford and Portsmouth before closing them and putting them up for development. When a sport is losing it's infrastructure at a rate like that, how can it survive?
so a constant decline over 10+ years is due to closure of part of the stadium around 2010? the new owners took over the site in 2005, the decliune in greyuhound racing was / is in full swing, but the decline in crowds from 2000 to 1000 was due to 75% of the stadium being closed several years later? that makes no sense, typical of the pro greyhound arguments
Show me your figures to prove it is in decline. Then explain how a sport in decline continues to be viable in tracks like Hove, Romford and Crayford to name a few.
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: Greyhound racing is very boring, i went to work outing to belle vue, atmosphere was non exisitant, not an experience i would care to repeat. average attendances at wimbledon greyhound meetings - about 1000, in 2012 109 meetings, 116,000 people. AFC wimbledon average 4000, 23 league games thats 92,000, and that figure does not cover home cup games, at npl, we currently play at a ground that is cramped, poor views etc, so that would rise to an average of about 5-6000 , especially when we would be able to accomodate a lot more away fans. in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport, cruel sport, PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN GREYHOUND RACING. Think about it, there used to be 30 tracks in london alone, are there even that many in the country in total now? and why are tracks closing? if it was a popular sport, if people were filling the stadiums, then would the tracks close? no, because people couldnt give a stuff. The main source of the WWW brigade stem from Ireland, well why dont the build their 'Royal Ascot of Dog Racing' there then? - you can build a greyhound track anywhere, a few years ago Foa Llas became a new horse racing venue, but why get all uppity about 1 stadium, that would be served as a community based football stadium, for an industry that can be built absolutely anywhere, when a football team, which does a lot for the community, ie giving training sessions and fun days for kids. i just dont get the emphasis that greyhound people put on 1 particular stadium, claiming its the last surviving greyhound stadium in london, factually incorrect, you have crayford and romford, and there is another clue in that, london used to house 30 greyhound stadiums, so 27 gone, and as i said before, the gates at wimbledon have dropped by about 60% in 12 years, hardly a compelling case to redevelope plough lane into a 'state of the art' dog track is it now[/p][/quote]'in the year 2000, 270,000 people attended wimbledon for greyhound racing, that has dropped well over 50% - declining sport' Pointless comparison. Some years ago now, around 4 I think, 3/4 of Wimbledon stadium was closed due to building safety concerns. The owners (the very people afc are getting into bed with) have let the place go to ruin since they took over in 2005. The owners of Wimbledon also owned other tracks including Oxford and Portsmouth before closing them and putting them up for development. When a sport is losing it's infrastructure at a rate like that, how can it survive?[/p][/quote]so a constant decline over 10+ years is due to closure of part of the stadium around 2010? the new owners took over the site in 2005, the decliune in greyuhound racing was / is in full swing, but the decline in crowds from 2000 to 1000 was due to 75% of the stadium being closed several years later? that makes no sense, typical of the pro greyhound arguments[/p][/quote]Show me your figures to prove it is in decline. Then explain how a sport in decline continues to be viable in tracks like Hove, Romford and Crayford to name a few. Ilusions
  • Score: 2

7:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

Ilusions wrote:
rob_c wrote:
blenki1 wrote:
must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community.
Has anybody actually thought why not do both?
Then everyone wins :)
Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs.

Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o(
There is plenty of room, just no will to do it. You could easily incorporate a football field with greyhound and stock car track running around the edge. There are quite a few setups like this in the UK that work perfectly well. Money and greed however ruins it.
That would eat into the enabling development part of the site and make the overall development unfundable, leaving both greyhounds and football club with nowhere.
[quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blenki1[/bold] wrote: must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community. Has anybody actually thought why not do both? Then everyone wins :)[/p][/quote]Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs. Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o([/p][/quote]There is plenty of room, just no will to do it. You could easily incorporate a football field with greyhound and stock car track running around the edge. There are quite a few setups like this in the UK that work perfectly well. Money and greed however ruins it.[/p][/quote]That would eat into the enabling development part of the site and make the overall development unfundable, leaving both greyhounds and football club with nowhere. rob_c
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties.
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties. field walker
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties.
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties. field walker
  • Score: 3

7:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties.
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties. field walker
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

Ilusions wrote:
rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon, why the obsession by afc to play there and only there? Surely slightly more to the West would suit them, like in the borough they claim to represent?
Wimbledon Borough was abolished in 1965.
[quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon, why the obsession by afc to play there and only there? Surely slightly more to the West would suit them, like in the borough they claim to represent?[/p][/quote]Wimbledon Borough was abolished in 1965. rob_c
  • Score: 2

7:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rob_c says...

field walker wrote:
rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties.
... and are both in London boroughs and within the Mayor of London's remit.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Wimbledon has a London postcode. Romford & Crayford have postcodes of their respective counties.[/p][/quote]... and are both in London boroughs and within the Mayor of London's remit. rob_c
  • Score: 3

7:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

apologies, not sure why above posted 3 times by my computer
apologies, not sure why above posted 3 times by my computer field walker
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

Let AFC build the place, run out of money and go bust. It's all they deserve for displacing two other sports who have a long history and heritage at the site. Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon!
Let AFC build the place, run out of money and go bust. It's all they deserve for displacing two other sports who have a long history and heritage at the site. Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon! Ilusions
  • Score: 1

7:22pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

rob_c wrote:
Ilusions wrote:
rob_c wrote:
blenki1 wrote:
must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community.
Has anybody actually thought why not do both?
Then everyone wins :)
Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs.

Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o(
There is plenty of room, just no will to do it. You could easily incorporate a football field with greyhound and stock car track running around the edge. There are quite a few setups like this in the UK that work perfectly well. Money and greed however ruins it.
That would eat into the enabling development part of the site and make the overall development unfundable, leaving both greyhounds and football club with nowhere.
I can't see how it would take up any more room. Within the confines of a reasonable size football stadium you could quite comfortably fit all these and not compromise on views for spectators.
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blenki1[/bold] wrote: must also say that all local people that work at Wimbledon dog track wont see losing jobs as being helpful to community. Has anybody actually thought why not do both? Then everyone wins :)[/p][/quote]Of course, a new stadium for AFC Wimbledon will also generate jobs. Unfortunately, there isn't space on the site to incorporate both a football ground and a greyhound track. :o([/p][/quote]There is plenty of room, just no will to do it. You could easily incorporate a football field with greyhound and stock car track running around the edge. There are quite a few setups like this in the UK that work perfectly well. Money and greed however ruins it.[/p][/quote]That would eat into the enabling development part of the site and make the overall development unfundable, leaving both greyhounds and football club with nowhere.[/p][/quote]I can't see how it would take up any more room. Within the confines of a reasonable size football stadium you could quite comfortably fit all these and not compromise on views for spectators. Ilusions
  • Score: 2

7:25pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

rob_c wrote:
Ilusions wrote:
rob_c wrote:
field walker wrote:
Cheshire

Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great.

Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer.

The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.

In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?
Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey!
Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon, why the obsession by afc to play there and only there? Surely slightly more to the West would suit them, like in the borough they claim to represent?
Wimbledon Borough was abolished in 1965.
OK Plough Lane is not in Wimbledon town then. Plough Lane is in tooting. Why do afc have an obsession to play in Tooting?
[quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ilusions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rob_c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Cheshire Romford is in Essex, Crayford is in Kent. Tracks have disappeared because land value is so great. Ireland has great stadia, the facilities are fantastic and many peope go. The main stadium in Dublin i packed Saturdays, particularly in the summer. The attendances at Wimbledon greyhound track have dwindled in the years you mention because more than half of the track terraces have been closed down and are not used, the race track now starts on the other side..so there is little point comparing figures. The track has received next to no investment, because like many other tracks, the owners wish to run them down, close them and cash in on land value for houses or supermarkets.[this has happened] In response to your comment about focus on one particular stadium...why doesn't AFC focus on one of the other site in your 'home borough' available, rather than try to extinguish the last greyhound stadium in London proper?[/p][/quote]Romford and Crayford are both within the Mayor of London's catchment area. If you're going to say that they're in Essex and Kent, you have to follow the logic through and say that Wimbledon is in Surrey![/p][/quote]Plough Lane is not even in Wimbledon, why the obsession by afc to play there and only there? Surely slightly more to the West would suit them, like in the borough they claim to represent?[/p][/quote]Wimbledon Borough was abolished in 1965.[/p][/quote]OK Plough Lane is not in Wimbledon town then. Plough Lane is in tooting. Why do afc have an obsession to play in Tooting? Ilusions
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

Yes Wimbledon is only greyhound track with London postcode.
Yes Wimbledon is only greyhound track with London postcode. field walker
  • Score: 3

7:40pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Douglas B Gray says...

field walker wrote:
Wimbledon dogs is packed every Saturday night. and more than a few hundred! If you think football is a working class sport you are delusional, 2 Premier Leage tickets for London club and transport and 2 x burgers = £140. There are many big clubs in London, Wdon is small club with small following. Your Arsenal example, it's £50 for a ticket! Your West Ham example, they have just sold their ground to property developers and will lease the Olympic Stadium. It's a pure pfrofit machine, they dont care about their supporters, definitely not working class.

As for your contrived website....you've obviously never been to a trainers kennel and seen the love bestowed on them by trainers and owners. Ignorant and ill informed you are. Brainwashed maybe, Sad either way
http://www.cagednw.c
o.uk/uploads/1/8/5/1
/18510044/7070921_or
ig.jpg

Like that kennel? At a Greyhound track in the UK? They must really love their dogs.
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Wimbledon dogs is packed every Saturday night. and more than a few hundred! If you think football is a working class sport you are delusional, 2 Premier Leage tickets for London club and transport and 2 x burgers = £140. There are many big clubs in London, Wdon is small club with small following. Your Arsenal example, it's £50 for a ticket! Your West Ham example, they have just sold their ground to property developers and will lease the Olympic Stadium. It's a pure pfrofit machine, they dont care about their supporters, definitely not working class. As for your contrived website....you've obviously never been to a trainers kennel and seen the love bestowed on them by trainers and owners. Ignorant and ill informed you are. Brainwashed maybe, Sad either way[/p][/quote]http://www.cagednw.c o.uk/uploads/1/8/5/1 /18510044/7070921_or ig.jpg Like that kennel? At a Greyhound track in the UK? They must really love their dogs. Douglas B Gray
  • Score: -2

7:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

where is that kennel Douglas Bee Gray, who owns or runs it?


have you been to any racing kennel in UK, if so please advise which?
where is that kennel Douglas Bee Gray, who owns or runs it? have you been to any racing kennel in UK, if so please advise which? field walker
  • Score: 2

8:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

'94-95 - a drop of 250,000 people, 3.9million, down to 3.6 (http://www.rescuedr
acers.org/attendance
.htm), 2007 down to 3.2 million (http://www.football
-bookmakers.com/arti
cle-greyhound-racing
-betting.php), 2009 - paying spectators, 750.000 (http://www.greyhoun
d-data.com/knowledge
.php?b=4&note=941041
&order&x=6) - proof enough?
'94-95 - a drop of 250,000 people, 3.9million, down to 3.6 (http://www.rescuedr acers.org/attendance .htm), 2007 down to 3.2 million (http://www.football -bookmakers.com/arti cle-greyhound-racing -betting.php), 2009 - paying spectators, 750.000 (http://www.greyhoun d-data.com/knowledge .php?b=4¬e=941041 &order&x=6) - proof enough? cheshire_womble
  • Score: -4

8:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
'94-95 - a drop of 250,000 people, 3.9million, down to 3.6 (http://www.rescuedr

acers.org/attendance

.htm), 2007 down to 3.2 million (http://www.football

-bookmakers.com/arti

cle-greyhound-racing

-betting.php), 2009 - paying spectators, 750.000 (http://www.greyhoun

d-data.com/knowledge

.php?b=4¬e=941041
&order&x=6) - proof enough?
Cheshire,Given the Anti's history of deception, deceit and misinformation I am assuming you are not asking anybody to take the first website as the "truth" but let's go with it and say it is.. So 3.65m in 1994 had fallen to 3.2m in UK THIRTEEN YEARS later in 2007 - still a significant sum in middle and reduction given the severe recession, not bad wouldn't you say?

Why have you then quoted a 750,000 number and a webpage relating to a totally different country- Ireland... i.e not like for like...I shall break this to you gently, Winbledon is in England, the England is part of the UK, Wimbledon, England and the UK are not Ireland, Ireland is a different country,

You're not very good at this are you. Suggest you go back to buying eco products on QVC.

Pls advise what point you are (ridiculously) trying to prove, just so we know?
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: '94-95 - a drop of 250,000 people, 3.9million, down to 3.6 (http://www.rescuedr acers.org/attendance .htm), 2007 down to 3.2 million (http://www.football -bookmakers.com/arti cle-greyhound-racing -betting.php), 2009 - paying spectators, 750.000 (http://www.greyhoun d-data.com/knowledge .php?b=4¬e=941041 &order&x=6) - proof enough?[/p][/quote]Cheshire,Given the Anti's history of deception, deceit and misinformation I am assuming you are not asking anybody to take the first website as the "truth" but let's go with it and say it is.. So 3.65m in 1994 had fallen to 3.2m in UK THIRTEEN YEARS later in 2007 - still a significant sum in middle and reduction given the severe recession, not bad wouldn't you say? Why have you then quoted a 750,000 number and a webpage relating to a totally different country- Ireland... i.e not like for like...I shall break this to you gently, Winbledon is in England, the England is part of the UK, Wimbledon, England and the UK are not Ireland, Ireland is a different country, You're not very good at this are you. Suggest you go back to buying eco products on QVC. Pls advise what point you are (ridiculously) trying to prove, just so we know? field walker
  • Score: 4

8:49pm Thu 20 Feb 14

63Trippy says...

I am not middle class and I am not an activist. I am against cruelty, lies and cover ups, that's all. I adopted a retired greyhound two years ago now and naturally I wanted to know more about them, racing, breeding, etc. I have seen with my own eyes the cruelty and abuse that is put upon these dogs. I am not saying all trainers, breeders and owners are bad; but a lot certainly are. The evidence is there if people are prepared to open their eyes and look and let it register in their brains. There are hundreds of greyhound rescue centres; I would suggest that the pro racers go visit one and actually see for themselves. But then I guess that by acknowledging the abuse they would be risking losing money. And it is all about money isn't it.
I am not middle class and I am not an activist. I am against cruelty, lies and cover ups, that's all. I adopted a retired greyhound two years ago now and naturally I wanted to know more about them, racing, breeding, etc. I have seen with my own eyes the cruelty and abuse that is put upon these dogs. I am not saying all trainers, breeders and owners are bad; but a lot certainly are. The evidence is there if people are prepared to open their eyes and look and let it register in their brains. There are hundreds of greyhound rescue centres; I would suggest that the pro racers go visit one and actually see for themselves. But then I guess that by acknowledging the abuse they would be risking losing money. And it is all about money isn't it. 63Trippy
  • Score: -1

9:02pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

trippy, 99% of people who own greyhounds dont make money and dont expect to. They a kennel bill and go to tracks for drinks and a social time because it's their hobby.

Your comment - "I have seen with my own eyes the cruelty and abuse that is put upon these dogs"

Please name where you have seen this cruelty and abuse, and who the perpetrators were? What action have you taken to bring the perpetrators to justice? I'd be happy to help you if you can evidence what you say to prove it's true
trippy, 99% of people who own greyhounds dont make money and dont expect to. They a kennel bill and go to tracks for drinks and a social time because it's their hobby. Your comment - "I have seen with my own eyes the cruelty and abuse that is put upon these dogs" Please name where you have seen this cruelty and abuse, and who the perpetrators were? What action have you taken to bring the perpetrators to justice? I'd be happy to help you if you can evidence what you say to prove it's true field walker
  • Score: 0

10:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

3.2 million customers in 2007, in over 5700 days of racing, approximately 550 per race night - that's across the uk, in its heyday, weren't the dogs getting upto 5-6000 regularly - it's dying, get real,, face facts, leave plough lane to a viable sport - football, it would take 5 nights of dog racing at Wimbledon to match just 1 Wimbledon match- if you want the dogs, you build a a stadium anywhere, and probably a lot cheaper than taggarts proposal for plough lane
3.2 million customers in 2007, in over 5700 days of racing, approximately 550 per race night - that's across the uk, in its heyday, weren't the dogs getting upto 5-6000 regularly - it's dying, get real,, face facts, leave plough lane to a viable sport - football, it would take 5 nights of dog racing at Wimbledon to match just 1 Wimbledon match- if you want the dogs, you build a a stadium anywhere, and probably a lot cheaper than taggarts proposal for plough lane cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

10:02pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Westbank says...

A local community space,to prop up the Irish greyhound industry.
A local community space,to prop up the Irish greyhound industry. Westbank
  • Score: 2

10:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

field walker says...

Youve proved your not very good with figures so I think you're wasting your time trying to prove anything with your figures, particularly when you dont note the context or what youre trying to prove and how.

Rangers FC used to get well over a 100,00 but they don't now...but that does not relate to Plough Lane nor do your figures.

Youre figures are a nonsense.. Wdon dogs get 2000 people across every Friday and Saturday with terrible facilities. Your 2nd half of table Div 3 club cant hope to get as many fans with 1 home match every 2 weeks, 9 months a year and with Fulham and Chelsea on door step. And thats if you stay up..and dont sink to Non League. You were driven out of Merton before for poor support.....
Youve proved your not very good with figures so I think you're wasting your time trying to prove anything with your figures, particularly when you dont note the context or what youre trying to prove and how. Rangers FC used to get well over a 100,00 but they don't now...but that does not relate to Plough Lane nor do your figures. Youre figures are a nonsense.. Wdon dogs get 2000 people across every Friday and Saturday with terrible facilities. Your 2nd half of table Div 3 club cant hope to get as many fans with 1 home match every 2 weeks, 9 months a year and with Fulham and Chelsea on door step. And thats if you stay up..and dont sink to Non League. You were driven out of Merton before for poor support..... field walker
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

field walker wrote:
Youve proved your not very good with figures so I think you're wasting your time trying to prove anything with your figures, particularly when you dont note the context or what youre trying to prove and how.

Rangers FC used to get well over a 100,00 but they don't now...but that does not relate to Plough Lane nor do your figures.

Youre figures are a nonsense.. Wdon dogs get 2000 people across every Friday and Saturday with terrible facilities. Your 2nd half of table Div 3 club cant hope to get as many fans with 1 home match every 2 weeks, 9 months a year and with Fulham and Chelsea on door step. And thats if you stay up..and dont sink to Non League. You were driven out of Merton before for poor support.....
The club left the stadium in 1990 because Plough Lane wasn't big enough for the number of supporters, so it left for exactly the opposite reason you suggest. Facts aren't your strong point are they?
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Youve proved your not very good with figures so I think you're wasting your time trying to prove anything with your figures, particularly when you dont note the context or what youre trying to prove and how. Rangers FC used to get well over a 100,00 but they don't now...but that does not relate to Plough Lane nor do your figures. Youre figures are a nonsense.. Wdon dogs get 2000 people across every Friday and Saturday with terrible facilities. Your 2nd half of table Div 3 club cant hope to get as many fans with 1 home match every 2 weeks, 9 months a year and with Fulham and Chelsea on door step. And thats if you stay up..and dont sink to Non League. You were driven out of Merton before for poor support.....[/p][/quote]The club left the stadium in 1990 because Plough Lane wasn't big enough for the number of supporters, so it left for exactly the opposite reason you suggest. Facts aren't your strong point are they? ShoelessJoe
  • Score: 1

10:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

Sorry 1991. Typo
Sorry 1991. Typo ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -1

10:55pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

Greyhound racing attendances are declining, FACT, Afc Wimbledon average 4200 that holds 4700, cramped, not good views, and we have anything up to. 800 away fans, you can comfortably add a good 1000 to that at new plough lane, more with a promotion, greyhound attendance would increase initially as a novelty factor, then drop down again, and I don't have a grasp if figures apparently - gates at the greyhound stadium have been declining since before galliard bought the site, attendances at the greyhound were declining before half the stands were closed, and I have no grasp of figure apparantly
Greyhound racing attendances are declining, FACT, Afc Wimbledon average 4200 that holds 4700, cramped, not good views, and we have anything up to. 800 away fans, you can comfortably add a good 1000 to that at new plough lane, more with a promotion, greyhound attendance would increase initially as a novelty factor, then drop down again, and I don't have a grasp if figures apparently - gates at the greyhound stadium have been declining since before galliard bought the site, attendances at the greyhound were declining before half the stands were closed, and I have no grasp of figure apparantly cheshire_womble
  • Score: -4

10:57pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

This is laughable now, the dog arguments are variously

We are viable and not in decline / if we don't get this stadium our industry collapses

Wimbledon don't have enough support / huge crowds will turn up and congest the place

It' not in Wimbledon it's in Tooting

Talk about facing in two directions at once
This is laughable now, the dog arguments are variously We are viable and not in decline / if we don't get this stadium our industry collapses Wimbledon don't have enough support / huge crowds will turn up and congest the place It' not in Wimbledon it's in Tooting Talk about facing in two directions at once ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -5

11:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

http://www.dailystar
.co.uk/news/latest-n
ews/348756/Gone-to-t
he-dogs-Fears-for-gr
eyhound-racing-as-Wa
lthamstow-track-clos
es maybe I did get an incorrect figure, but greyhound racing attendees is STILL in decline, and how many race nights took place a few years ago? So viable that they took Tuesdays off the fixture list? But I don't have a grasp of figures, so a 'sport' where attendances are falling, fixtures being removed from the calendar, stadiums closing up and down the country is a sign of a healthy industry? Yeah right
http://www.dailystar .co.uk/news/latest-n ews/348756/Gone-to-t he-dogs-Fears-for-gr eyhound-racing-as-Wa lthamstow-track-clos es maybe I did get an incorrect figure, but greyhound racing attendees is STILL in decline, and how many race nights took place a few years ago? So viable that they took Tuesdays off the fixture list? But I don't have a grasp of figures, so a 'sport' where attendances are falling, fixtures being removed from the calendar, stadiums closing up and down the country is a sign of a healthy industry? Yeah right cheshire_womble
  • Score: -1

12:22am Fri 21 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

Field Walker: The number of people going to dog tracks has slumped 40% in the past eight years, down from 3.5million in 2005 to around 2.1million now. At its peak 85 licenced tracks, 100 unlicenced tracks, to 25 licenced and 10 unlicenced tracks - thats the sign of a declining 'sport' FACTS, im not very good with figures.so attendanced down by 40% in 9 years, is me not having a grasp of figures and nothing to do with the not so thriving greyhound industry, the loss of 81% of greyhounds tracks, nothing to do with greyhound racing bering in decline, thats just a myth , its just down to the fact i dont have a grasp of figures? yes i posted a wrong link, in a rush, but the decline in greyhound racing is clear for all to see, or maybe its you thats not very good with figures, or facts?
Field Walker: The number of people going to dog tracks has slumped 40% in the past eight years, down from 3.5million in 2005 to around 2.1million now. At its peak 85 licenced tracks, 100 unlicenced tracks, to 25 licenced and 10 unlicenced tracks - thats the sign of a declining 'sport' FACTS, im not very good with figures.so attendanced down by 40% in 9 years, is me not having a grasp of figures and nothing to do with the not so thriving greyhound industry, the loss of 81% of greyhounds tracks, nothing to do with greyhound racing bering in decline, thats just a myth , its just down to the fact i dont have a grasp of figures? yes i posted a wrong link, in a rush, but the decline in greyhound racing is clear for all to see, or maybe its you thats not very good with figures, or facts? cheshire_womble
  • Score: -4

1:49am Fri 21 Feb 14

al the taxi says...

whats needed in the afc Wimbledon plan is a betting shop where the doggers can watch the virtual dog racing from millersfield.better forcast payouts than any tote and lots could be saved on kennel and vet bills.
whats needed in the afc Wimbledon plan is a betting shop where the doggers can watch the virtual dog racing from millersfield.better forcast payouts than any tote and lots could be saved on kennel and vet bills. al the taxi
  • Score: -3

2:18am Fri 21 Feb 14

lovemygrey says...

field walker wrote:
Youve proved your not very good with figures so I think you're wasting your time trying to prove anything with your figures, particularly when you dont note the context or what youre trying to prove and how.

Rangers FC used to get well over a 100,00 but they don't now...but that does not relate to Plough Lane nor do your figures.

Youre figures are a nonsense.. Wdon dogs get 2000 people across every Friday and Saturday with terrible facilities. Your 2nd half of table Div 3 club cant hope to get as many fans with 1 home match every 2 weeks, 9 months a year and with Fulham and Chelsea on door step. And thats if you stay up..and dont sink to Non League. You were driven out of Merton before for poor support.....
oh dear are you still here? funny how you can have a go at everyone else yet you can't defend http://www.lovegreyh
ounds.co.uk/hallofsh
ame.php where is your response to that????
[quote][p][bold]field walker[/bold] wrote: Youve proved your not very good with figures so I think you're wasting your time trying to prove anything with your figures, particularly when you dont note the context or what youre trying to prove and how. Rangers FC used to get well over a 100,00 but they don't now...but that does not relate to Plough Lane nor do your figures. Youre figures are a nonsense.. Wdon dogs get 2000 people across every Friday and Saturday with terrible facilities. Your 2nd half of table Div 3 club cant hope to get as many fans with 1 home match every 2 weeks, 9 months a year and with Fulham and Chelsea on door step. And thats if you stay up..and dont sink to Non League. You were driven out of Merton before for poor support.....[/p][/quote]oh dear are you still here? funny how you can have a go at everyone else yet you can't defend http://www.lovegreyh ounds.co.uk/hallofsh ame.php where is your response to that???? lovemygrey
  • Score: -3

9:33am Fri 21 Feb 14

bishbosh says...

"Greyhound racing is boring" well don't go mate. AFC Wimbledon have just lost their last three games and their attendances are mid 3K. That is every other week. What happens to the football stadium the rest of the time. How's that sport intensification? Forget the viability dream. AFC will fail within a few years and own nothing. We all support our team and have dreams of success but having failed once in the area fans need to be very careful stumping up bond money. Naming rights?? so that is why the council wrote to MK Dons to get "Dons" back. Done deal anyone??
"Greyhound racing is boring" well don't go mate. AFC Wimbledon have just lost their last three games and their attendances are mid 3K. That is every other week. What happens to the football stadium the rest of the time. How's that sport intensification? Forget the viability dream. AFC will fail within a few years and own nothing. We all support our team and have dreams of success but having failed once in the area fans need to be very careful stumping up bond money. Naming rights?? so that is why the council wrote to MK Dons to get "Dons" back. Done deal anyone?? bishbosh
  • Score: 3

11:19am Fri 21 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

"AFC will fail within a few years and own nothing. We all support our team and have dreams of success but having failed once in the area "

Failure? Advancing 4 divisions, average crowd growth of 444% (1,800 in 1980 to 8,000 in 1991), winning an FA Cup, is failure?

Another example of the Dog arguments facing two ways. I thought you were saying Wimbledon is not the same club, now you are saying it is.

Does one of you have a single consistent argument? No you don't
"AFC will fail within a few years and own nothing. We all support our team and have dreams of success but having failed once in the area " Failure? Advancing 4 divisions, average crowd growth of 444% (1,800 in 1980 to 8,000 in 1991), winning an FA Cup, is failure? Another example of the Dog arguments facing two ways. I thought you were saying Wimbledon is not the same club, now you are saying it is. Does one of you have a single consistent argument? No you don't ShoelessJoe
  • Score: -1

9:21pm Fri 21 Feb 14

bishbosh says...

Facing two ways...hmmm two thirds toward Milton Keynes and a poor third facing toward Kingsmeadow. So the old Wimbledon FC had crowds of 8000 when they won the cup. Great how are the poor third going to fill a 11000 capacity stadium with visions to increase to 20000. Bit of a gamble but so what its not your money building the stadium. In ten years AFC maybe gone down a division..what happens then?
Facing two ways...hmmm two thirds toward Milton Keynes and a poor third facing toward Kingsmeadow. So the old Wimbledon FC had crowds of 8000 when they won the cup. Great how are the poor third going to fill a 11000 capacity stadium with visions to increase to 20000. Bit of a gamble but so what its not your money building the stadium. In ten years AFC maybe gone down a division..what happens then? bishbosh
  • Score: 4

9:56pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Coventry............
Another one bites the dust.
Coventry............ Another one bites the dust. Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -6

7:14am Sat 22 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

If afcw get relegated, we simply carry on supporting the team, yes gates will potentially decrease, but the vast majority of people who turn up are wimbledon fans, they will support the club regardless of division, has any club gone bust just purely due to relegation? no! especially not from l2 to conference. by the way shoeless joe, you are incorrect, its not 4 divisions we have advanced, its 5
If afcw get relegated, we simply carry on supporting the team, yes gates will potentially decrease, but the vast majority of people who turn up are wimbledon fans, they will support the club regardless of division, has any club gone bust just purely due to relegation? no! especially not from l2 to conference. by the way shoeless joe, you are incorrect, its not 4 divisions we have advanced, its 5 cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

10:46am Sat 22 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

Cheshire. 70s and 80s from non-league to first division was what I refered to. To 4, to 3, to 2, to 1. With a couple of relegtions too!
Cheshire. 70s and 80s from non-league to first division was what I refered to. To 4, to 3, to 2, to 1. With a couple of relegtions too! ShoelessJoe
  • Score: 3

5:20pm Sat 22 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

sorry shoeless - i was thinking since 2002, not too dissimilar
sorry shoeless - i was thinking since 2002, not too dissimilar cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

12:23am Sun 23 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

Remind me. How may football clubs does London have and stadiums to go with it? It is more than adequately catered for in yet you want another.
Didn't West Ham have a ground up for sale recently which would, according to your projected seating numbers in a new stadium, have been more than suitable for your needs yet I didn't see afc bidding for it. Why?
Because greyhounds and stock cars are two minority sports, we cannot compete nor hope to get the good press that football does which is a wonder considering the obscene farce that is. Mr Rooney collecting £300k a week. Give me stock cars and greyhounds any day.
Remind me. How may football clubs does London have and stadiums to go with it? It is more than adequately catered for in yet you want another. Didn't West Ham have a ground up for sale recently which would, according to your projected seating numbers in a new stadium, have been more than suitable for your needs yet I didn't see afc bidding for it. Why? Because greyhounds and stock cars are two minority sports, we cannot compete nor hope to get the good press that football does which is a wonder considering the obscene farce that is. Mr Rooney collecting £300k a week. Give me stock cars and greyhounds any day. Ilusions
  • Score: 2

12:39am Sun 23 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

each london club is representative of a borough, the clue is in their names, tottenham play in tottenham, fulham play in fulham, dagenham play in dagenham, wimbledon should play in wimbledon, it is not difficult to understand is it?
each london club is representative of a borough, the clue is in their names, tottenham play in tottenham, fulham play in fulham, dagenham play in dagenham, wimbledon should play in wimbledon, it is not difficult to understand is it? cheshire_womble
  • Score: -1

9:14am Sun 23 Feb 14

bishbosh says...

Wimbledon FC has split and gone from the borough. 11,000 attendance at MK Dons where most of the fans have gone. The local authority are trying to get them to drop Dons in their title. Four defeats on the trot for AFC with two tough away games to come.... lose those and its relegation danger. "Coming home" is a pipe dream and somewhat misleading. Galliard / Merton /AFC have cobbled together this sporting intensification plan with Galliard picking up the tab. There must be a fortune in the housing they propose. It will of course make all of the housing they build un affordable to those that really meed it as they have to subsidise a fourth tier financially busted football club. This is of course disgraceful for a local authority to approve but money talks. The alternative greyhound retention proposals do not have to subsidise a partner to obtain planning permission.
Wimbledon FC has split and gone from the borough. 11,000 attendance at MK Dons where most of the fans have gone. The local authority are trying to get them to drop Dons in their title. Four defeats on the trot for AFC with two tough away games to come.... lose those and its relegation danger. "Coming home" is a pipe dream and somewhat misleading. Galliard / Merton /AFC have cobbled together this sporting intensification plan with Galliard picking up the tab. There must be a fortune in the housing they propose. It will of course make all of the housing they build un affordable to those that really meed it as they have to subsidise a fourth tier financially busted football club. This is of course disgraceful for a local authority to approve but money talks. The alternative greyhound retention proposals do not have to subsidise a partner to obtain planning permission. bishbosh
  • Score: 5

2:10pm Sun 23 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

bishbosh - dont make me laugh - he amoubt of former wimbledon fc fans now following franchise is very small -0 despite the fact im apparantly not very good with figures, i will illustrate - when wimbledon were relegated from the premier league, they were averaging abouth 15,000, made up approximately of 50% wimbledon fans, 50% away fans, between 2000-2002 in l1 the average went to about 7000-7500, which if you subtract say an average 1000 away fans, leaves us with say 6500 wimbledon fan attendees, in 2003 afc wimbledon averaged just over 3000, with about 99% being wimbledon fans, franchise fc played at selhurst, averaged about 2500, of which 1000ish were away fans (portsmouth for example took 9000 to one of their games), meaning 1500 supporting franchise, some of those were bussed in from milton keynes, another portion carried on watching the then wimblerdon fc whilst it was in south london, but stopped when it eventually moved. so if we take the 6500 i alluded to before, 3000 confirmed as afc wimbledon fans (others have returned since as they didnt fancy combined counties football), ie 50% of what we had at selhurst park pre-franchise, 1500 watched the franchise at sp (25%), and 25% neither. so even if all 1500 who continued with franchise fc at selhurst park, then how did most of the the wimbledon fc fans end up watching milton keynes? As for AFC Wimbledon being 'financially busted' please explain, as we are one of the most prudent clubs in existance
bishbosh - dont make me laugh - he amoubt of former wimbledon fc fans now following franchise is very small -0 despite the fact im apparantly not very good with figures, i will illustrate - when wimbledon were relegated from the premier league, they were averaging abouth 15,000, made up approximately of 50% wimbledon fans, 50% away fans, between 2000-2002 in l1 the average went to about 7000-7500, which if you subtract say an average 1000 away fans, leaves us with say 6500 wimbledon fan attendees, in 2003 afc wimbledon averaged just over 3000, with about 99% being wimbledon fans, franchise fc played at selhurst, averaged about 2500, of which 1000ish were away fans (portsmouth for example took 9000 to one of their games), meaning 1500 supporting franchise, some of those were bussed in from milton keynes, another portion carried on watching the then wimblerdon fc whilst it was in south london, but stopped when it eventually moved. so if we take the 6500 i alluded to before, 3000 confirmed as afc wimbledon fans (others have returned since as they didnt fancy combined counties football), ie 50% of what we had at selhurst park pre-franchise, 1500 watched the franchise at sp (25%), and 25% neither. so even if all 1500 who continued with franchise fc at selhurst park, then how did most of the the wimbledon fc fans end up watching milton keynes? As for AFC Wimbledon being 'financially busted' please explain, as we are one of the most prudent clubs in existance cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

2:12pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
each london club is representative of a borough, the clue is in their names, tottenham play in tottenham, fulham play in fulham, dagenham play in dagenham, wimbledon should play in wimbledon, it is not difficult to understand is it?
Wimbledon FC no longer exist. Why keep up the pretence that afc are even the same club as the one that left the area years ago?
Plough Lane is in Tooting. Why not do as you say and move to Wimbledon if that is where your club represents and leave us to enjoy our sport?
You still ignore the fact that Stock car racing has over 50 years worth of history on the site itself which is sacrosanct to oval race fans yet you are only too happy to destroy our future and heritage to safeguard yours. Morally bankrupt people who deserve to fail.
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: each london club is representative of a borough, the clue is in their names, tottenham play in tottenham, fulham play in fulham, dagenham play in dagenham, wimbledon should play in wimbledon, it is not difficult to understand is it?[/p][/quote]Wimbledon FC no longer exist. Why keep up the pretence that afc are even the same club as the one that left the area years ago? Plough Lane is in Tooting. Why not do as you say and move to Wimbledon if that is where your club represents and leave us to enjoy our sport? You still ignore the fact that Stock car racing has over 50 years worth of history on the site itself which is sacrosanct to oval race fans yet you are only too happy to destroy our future and heritage to safeguard yours. Morally bankrupt people who deserve to fail. Ilusions
  • Score: 3

5:21pm Sun 23 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

llusions - 1stly we the wimbledon fans , who have witnessed wimbledon fc, and now afc winbledon, after the former was stolen from us as the same entity, a large number of afc wimbledon fans were wimbledon fc fans at wembley 1988, thats our history, and we certainly have far more claim to that history than franchise fc. 2ndly, in regards to stock car racing, well its not part of EITHER BID, only 2 bids were submitted, galliards including football, and the greyhound one, so if you feel so strongly, then why why didnt the stock cars people bid? stock car racing will not be at plough lane under either bid, yet you decide to vent your feelings towards the football bid, and nothing abouth the greyhound one, surely as the greyhounds and the stock cars shared the stadium, then their lack of provision for your sport should have some ire towards them. IF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING, IF A NEW GREYHOUND STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING - CAPICE?
llusions - 1stly we the wimbledon fans , who have witnessed wimbledon fc, and now afc winbledon, after the former was stolen from us as the same entity, a large number of afc wimbledon fans were wimbledon fc fans at wembley 1988, thats our history, and we certainly have far more claim to that history than franchise fc. 2ndly, in regards to stock car racing, well its not part of EITHER BID, only 2 bids were submitted, galliards including football, and the greyhound one, so if you feel so strongly, then why why didnt the stock cars people bid? stock car racing will not be at plough lane under either bid, yet you decide to vent your feelings towards the football bid, and nothing abouth the greyhound one, surely as the greyhounds and the stock cars shared the stadium, then their lack of provision for your sport should have some ire towards them. IF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING, IF A NEW GREYHOUND STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING - CAPICE? cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

5:44pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
llusions - 1stly we the wimbledon fans , who have witnessed wimbledon fc, and now afc winbledon, after the former was stolen from us as the same entity, a large number of afc wimbledon fans were wimbledon fc fans at wembley 1988, thats our history, and we certainly have far more claim to that history than franchise fc. 2ndly, in regards to stock car racing, well its not part of EITHER BID, only 2 bids were submitted, galliards including football, and the greyhound one, so if you feel so strongly, then why why didnt the stock cars people bid? stock car racing will not be at plough lane under either bid, yet you decide to vent your feelings towards the football bid, and nothing abouth the greyhound one, surely as the greyhounds and the stock cars shared the stadium, then their lack of provision for your sport should have some ire towards them. IF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING, IF A NEW GREYHOUND STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING - CAPICE?
You don't see the irony or double standards do you? On the one you claim as an afc supporter to be part of the old Wimbledon FC, yet you then try to justify the destruction/selling out of another sports home? It was wrong when it was done to you but OK for you to be part of the lot doing it to us! Why?
Of course the greyhound people are bad, but at least they are trying to preserve what they can of the sport at Wimbledon and haven't sunk to the level that afc have considering your/Wimbledon fc's past.
As for oval racing not bidding, you know why. We don't have the money!
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: llusions - 1stly we the wimbledon fans , who have witnessed wimbledon fc, and now afc winbledon, after the former was stolen from us as the same entity, a large number of afc wimbledon fans were wimbledon fc fans at wembley 1988, thats our history, and we certainly have far more claim to that history than franchise fc. 2ndly, in regards to stock car racing, well its not part of EITHER BID, only 2 bids were submitted, galliards including football, and the greyhound one, so if you feel so strongly, then why why didnt the stock cars people bid? stock car racing will not be at plough lane under either bid, yet you decide to vent your feelings towards the football bid, and nothing abouth the greyhound one, surely as the greyhounds and the stock cars shared the stadium, then their lack of provision for your sport should have some ire towards them. IF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING, IF A NEW GREYHOUND STADIUM IS BUILT - NO STOCK CAR RACING - CAPICE?[/p][/quote]You don't see the irony or double standards do you? On the one you claim as an afc supporter to be part of the old Wimbledon FC, yet you then try to justify the destruction/selling out of another sports home? It was wrong when it was done to you but OK for you to be part of the lot doing it to us! Why? Of course the greyhound people are bad, but at least they are trying to preserve what they can of the sport at Wimbledon and haven't sunk to the level that afc have considering your/Wimbledon fc's past. As for oval racing not bidding, you know why. We don't have the money! Ilusions
  • Score: 3

11:49pm Sun 23 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

the greyhound people havent sunk to the level of afc wimbledon? really? erik samuelson has only spoken about the football project, yet mclean and taggart have constantly sniped at the football bid, throwing the toys out of the pram like babies, contradicted themselves at every turn, they claim we only average about 2000, reality is its over double that, they claim on one hand the 'sport' is not in decline, the claim that wimbledon is the last chance saloon, a thriving sport that is losing customers, a thriving sport that will die if just 1 particular stadium closes, hardly a thriving is it? wimbledon left plough lane due to falling gates? no we didnt, we left plough lane due to requirements laid down by the taylor report (hillsborough), we were under the impression we would return, but were lied to by an unscrupulous previous owner. they claim its always been a greyhound racing venue, when actually wimbledon fc played there beforehand. Like i said, its they greyhound camp sniping at every turn, whilst afc wimbledon are keeping a dignified silence, so i would say it the greyhound camp that are sinking to the low levels you describe
the greyhound people havent sunk to the level of afc wimbledon? really? erik samuelson has only spoken about the football project, yet mclean and taggart have constantly sniped at the football bid, throwing the toys out of the pram like babies, contradicted themselves at every turn, they claim we only average about 2000, reality is its over double that, they claim on one hand the 'sport' is not in decline, the claim that wimbledon is the last chance saloon, a thriving sport that is losing customers, a thriving sport that will die if just 1 particular stadium closes, hardly a thriving is it? wimbledon left plough lane due to falling gates? no we didnt, we left plough lane due to requirements laid down by the taylor report (hillsborough), we were under the impression we would return, but were lied to by an unscrupulous previous owner. they claim its always been a greyhound racing venue, when actually wimbledon fc played there beforehand. Like i said, its they greyhound camp sniping at every turn, whilst afc wimbledon are keeping a dignified silence, so i would say it the greyhound camp that are sinking to the low levels you describe cheshire_womble
  • Score: -4

12:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

ShoelessJoe says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
the greyhound people havent sunk to the level of afc wimbledon? really? erik samuelson has only spoken about the football project, yet mclean and taggart have constantly sniped at the football bid, throwing the toys out of the pram like babies, contradicted themselves at every turn, they claim we only average about 2000, reality is its over double that, they claim on one hand the 'sport' is not in decline, the claim that wimbledon is the last chance saloon, a thriving sport that is losing customers, a thriving sport that will die if just 1 particular stadium closes, hardly a thriving is it? wimbledon left plough lane due to falling gates? no we didnt, we left plough lane due to requirements laid down by the taylor report (hillsborough), we were under the impression we would return, but were lied to by an unscrupulous previous owner. they claim its always been a greyhound racing venue, when actually wimbledon fc played there beforehand. Like i said, its they greyhound camp sniping at every turn, whilst afc wimbledon are keeping a dignified silence, so i would say it the greyhound camp that are sinking to the low levels you describe
To add to that Taggart called Wimbledon 'a Mickey Mouse' club, which is really low considering it is staffed almost exclusively by volunteers from the local area and provides 900 hours per year of coaching to Merton residents through the community football scheme
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: the greyhound people havent sunk to the level of afc wimbledon? really? erik samuelson has only spoken about the football project, yet mclean and taggart have constantly sniped at the football bid, throwing the toys out of the pram like babies, contradicted themselves at every turn, they claim we only average about 2000, reality is its over double that, they claim on one hand the 'sport' is not in decline, the claim that wimbledon is the last chance saloon, a thriving sport that is losing customers, a thriving sport that will die if just 1 particular stadium closes, hardly a thriving is it? wimbledon left plough lane due to falling gates? no we didnt, we left plough lane due to requirements laid down by the taylor report (hillsborough), we were under the impression we would return, but were lied to by an unscrupulous previous owner. they claim its always been a greyhound racing venue, when actually wimbledon fc played there beforehand. Like i said, its they greyhound camp sniping at every turn, whilst afc wimbledon are keeping a dignified silence, so i would say it the greyhound camp that are sinking to the low levels you describe[/p][/quote]To add to that Taggart called Wimbledon 'a Mickey Mouse' club, which is really low considering it is staffed almost exclusively by volunteers from the local area and provides 900 hours per year of coaching to Merton residents through the community football scheme ShoelessJoe
  • Score: 7

7:11pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ilusions says...

cheshire_womble wrote:
the greyhound people havent sunk to the level of afc wimbledon? really? erik samuelson has only spoken about the football project, yet mclean and taggart have constantly sniped at the football bid, throwing the toys out of the pram like babies, contradicted themselves at every turn, they claim we only average about 2000, reality is its over double that, they claim on one hand the 'sport' is not in decline, the claim that wimbledon is the last chance saloon, a thriving sport that is losing customers, a thriving sport that will die if just 1 particular stadium closes, hardly a thriving is it? wimbledon left plough lane due to falling gates? no we didnt, we left plough lane due to requirements laid down by the taylor report (hillsborough), we were under the impression we would return, but were lied to by an unscrupulous previous owner. they claim its always been a greyhound racing venue, when actually wimbledon fc played there beforehand. Like i said, its they greyhound camp sniping at every turn, whilst afc wimbledon are keeping a dignified silence, so i would say it the greyhound camp that are sinking to the low levels you describe
You had the original stadium sold out from under you by Sam Hammam to a supermarket for so many millions of pounds. Now you are part of the lot engaged in removing our chance to remain at the stadium we have been in since the 1960s. Can you not see the similarity?
Yes the original Wimbledon fc did play here but that was a very very very long time ago (before 1912). It's a bit like saying the house you live in was once a shop a hundred years ago so by rights it belongs to the shopkeepers relatives alive now.
The greyhound lot, although not ideal and having gone back on their plan to include stock cars, at least haven't been sold out in the past only to do it to someone else now because it suits their plans.
[quote][p][bold]cheshire_womble[/bold] wrote: the greyhound people havent sunk to the level of afc wimbledon? really? erik samuelson has only spoken about the football project, yet mclean and taggart have constantly sniped at the football bid, throwing the toys out of the pram like babies, contradicted themselves at every turn, they claim we only average about 2000, reality is its over double that, they claim on one hand the 'sport' is not in decline, the claim that wimbledon is the last chance saloon, a thriving sport that is losing customers, a thriving sport that will die if just 1 particular stadium closes, hardly a thriving is it? wimbledon left plough lane due to falling gates? no we didnt, we left plough lane due to requirements laid down by the taylor report (hillsborough), we were under the impression we would return, but were lied to by an unscrupulous previous owner. they claim its always been a greyhound racing venue, when actually wimbledon fc played there beforehand. Like i said, its they greyhound camp sniping at every turn, whilst afc wimbledon are keeping a dignified silence, so i would say it the greyhound camp that are sinking to the low levels you describe[/p][/quote]You had the original stadium sold out from under you by Sam Hammam to a supermarket for so many millions of pounds. Now you are part of the lot engaged in removing our chance to remain at the stadium we have been in since the 1960s. Can you not see the similarity? Yes the original Wimbledon fc did play here but that was a very very very long time ago (before 1912). It's a bit like saying the house you live in was once a shop a hundred years ago so by rights it belongs to the shopkeepers relatives alive now. The greyhound lot, although not ideal and having gone back on their plan to include stock cars, at least haven't been sold out in the past only to do it to someone else now because it suits their plans. Ilusions
  • Score: 3

8:10pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Coventry1 says...

Greyhoundlover wrote:
Coventry............

Another one bites the dust.
Coventry............
... isn't closing.............
...Another one bites their tongue!
[quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: Coventry............ Another one bites the dust.[/p][/quote]Coventry............ ... isn't closing............. ...Another one bites their tongue! Coventry1
  • Score: 5

8:05am Tue 25 Feb 14

Coventry1 says...

Is it any wonder the local residents want to keep greyhound racing if this is what they have to look forward to http://www. surreycomet. co.uk / news /11030701.Two_arrest
ed_as_violence_break
s_out_at_AFC_Wimbled
on_match/
Is it any wonder the local residents want to keep greyhound racing if this is what they have to look forward to http://www. surreycomet. co.uk / news /11030701.Two_arrest ed_as_violence_break s_out_at_AFC_Wimbled on_match/ Coventry1
  • Score: 3

1:26pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

you pick up on a very rare and isolated incident, i dont condone it for 1 second, and those arrested should be banned. wimbledon is a family club https://docs.google.
com/spreadsheet/ccc?
key=0AuKClsmdCNgddGV
UV0RCaTFTNzRRbXVveXN
od3dVRXc&usp=sharing
#gid=1 and http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/foo
tball-arrests-bannin
g-orders-report-2356
792 - so i dont believe local residents should lose any sleep
you pick up on a very rare and isolated incident, i dont condone it for 1 second, and those arrested should be banned. wimbledon is a family club https://docs.google. com/spreadsheet/ccc? key=0AuKClsmdCNgddGV UV0RCaTFTNzRRbXVveXN od3dVRXc&usp=sharing #gid=1 and http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/foo tball-arrests-bannin g-orders-report-2356 792 - so i dont believe local residents should lose any sleep cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

1:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

just to reconfirm point 4 from my second link: 4 Just two clubs in the Football League - AFC Wimbledon and Burton Albion - have no fans banned from games
just to reconfirm point 4 from my second link: 4 Just two clubs in the Football League - AFC Wimbledon and Burton Albion - have no fans banned from games cheshire_womble
  • Score: -3

9:16am Thu 27 Feb 14

Greyhoundlover says...

Coventry1 wrote:
Greyhoundlover wrote:
Coventry............


Another one bites the dust.
Coventry............

... isn't closing.............

...Another one bites their tongue!
Yep! I was right, another one bites the dust. LOL
[quote][p][bold]Coventry1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greyhoundlover[/bold] wrote: Coventry............ Another one bites the dust.[/p][/quote]Coventry............ ... isn't closing............. ...Another one bites their tongue![/p][/quote]Yep! I was right, another one bites the dust. LOL Greyhoundlover
  • Score: -1

8:13pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

Fans may be aware that there was an incident shortly before Wimbledon’s home game against Bury and the club has taken strong action against those involved.

The club can confirm that six people have now been banned from attending AFC Wimbledon matches following this incident.

Chief Executive Erik Samuelson said: “We have got an exemplary record for behaviour at our football ground, and we take this sort of thing very seriously. In each of the two previous seasons only one arrest has been made at our home ground according to independent Home Office statistics.

“We are determined to maintain our reputation for being a safe, family-friendly football club.”


Read more at http://www.afcwimble
don.co.uk/news/artic
le/club-statement-13
89264.aspx#pftZD53RQ
WKxZWFA.99
Fans may be aware that there was an incident shortly before Wimbledon’s home game against Bury and the club has taken strong action against those involved. The club can confirm that six people have now been banned from attending AFC Wimbledon matches following this incident. Chief Executive Erik Samuelson said: “We have got an exemplary record for behaviour at our football ground, and we take this sort of thing very seriously. In each of the two previous seasons only one arrest has been made at our home ground according to independent Home Office statistics. “We are determined to maintain our reputation for being a safe, family-friendly football club.” Read more at http://www.afcwimble don.co.uk/news/artic le/club-statement-13 89264.aspx#pftZD53RQ WKxZWFA.99 cheshire_womble
  • Score: -2

9:19pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cheshire_womble says...

The greyhound poster are unbelievably classless, my last few posts regard a personal view, and a club statement denouncing violence, banning perpetrators, yet it has already been voted down! Does that person/those people regard violence as acceptable? Or the club taking steps to remedy the situation as unacceptable?
The greyhound poster are unbelievably classless, my last few posts regard a personal view, and a club statement denouncing violence, banning perpetrators, yet it has already been voted down! Does that person/those people regard violence as acceptable? Or the club taking steps to remedy the situation as unacceptable? cheshire_womble
  • Score: -1

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